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applegrove

(122,801 posts)
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 08:04 PM Jun 2023

Premier Doug Ford announces $20 million program to burn more wood to generate electricity with his

Absurd and astounding but not surprising - while fires rage and smoke blankets Ontario to the point we can't go outside, Premier Doug Ford announces $20 million program to burn more wood to generate electricity with his Forest Biomass Action Plan...

https://seniorsforclimateactionnow.org/while-fires-rage-premier-ford-announces-program-to-burn-more-wood-by-david-robertson/

Ford claims “it will help to reduce emissions and address climate change while positioning Ontario as a leader in the green economy.”

https://mstdn.ca/@kthomason/110618802401905107

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Premier Doug Ford announces $20 million program to burn more wood to generate electricity with his (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2023 OP
Why do conservatives always lie and claim things that are opposite to facts and reality? canuckledragger Jun 2023 #1
I don't think he's pleasing anyone with his policies. He was better when he stuck to Justine applegrove Jun 2023 #2
If you cut down trees and convert them to fuel to be used all over the world Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #3
Wood burning fires are bad for the environment. applegrove Jun 2023 #4
If the option is 'wood burning fire used to heat your house or cook food' Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #5
That is not a realistic comparison. Doug Ford does not have control over forest fires. applegrove Jun 2023 #6
I refer you to my original post #3 Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #7
Well it is impossible to know which trees will burn like you said. And losing applegrove Jun 2023 #8
Except ... it's not impossible ... in fact it's possible with a fairly high degree of probability Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #9
Oh you can't control where lightening strikes and that is how fires applegrove Jun 2023 #10
I'm saying there are areas where a combination of factors can be assessed Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #12
This on pizza oven that burn coal or wood neat mitigating. This in NY City. applegrove Jun 2023 #13
You are just not following me, and that's okay Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #14
Yes. I admit to having a bee in my bonnet. Thanks for understanding. applegrove Jun 2023 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Jun 2023 #11

canuckledragger

(1,897 posts)
1. Why do conservatives always lie and claim things that are opposite to facts and reality?
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 08:07 PM
Jun 2023

We can't get rid of this former coke dealer fast enough.

applegrove

(122,801 posts)
2. I don't think he's pleasing anyone with his policies. He was better when he stuck to Justine
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 08:18 PM
Jun 2023

like glue on Covid policy.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. If you cut down trees and convert them to fuel to be used all over the world
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 08:46 PM
Jun 2023

it's a LOT better than just letting them burn in forest fires ... while providing fuel for nobody.

The trick is knowing which trees would inevitably burn in forest fires.

But there are ways of roughly predicting that. Esp. if the forest scientists involved aren't dipshit climate change deniers.

Just sayin'

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. If the option is 'wood burning fire used to heat your house or cook food'
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 09:58 PM
Jun 2023

as opposed to 'wood burning in a raging forest fire' ... then I have to disagree

applegrove

(122,801 posts)
6. That is not a realistic comparison. Doug Ford does not have control over forest fires.
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 10:03 PM
Jun 2023

It is not something he can stop except for aiming to be carbon neutral. Which means only the rarist fires wood fires at home. He can issue orders for no outdoor fires by civilians to try and stop forest fires when it is dry but they did that and look at the forest fires we still have. False choice.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. I refer you to my original post #3
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 10:10 PM
Jun 2023

Where I made my stipulations from the start.

I'm not sure what his 'policy' is, but without knowing that ... I could see a scenario where a well-managed, science-based plan ... could have positive results.

applegrove

(122,801 posts)
8. Well it is impossible to know which trees will burn like you said. And losing
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 10:15 PM
Jun 2023

more trees than happen in nature just reduces the carbon sink the forests are.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
9. Except ... it's not impossible ... in fact it's possible with a fairly high degree of probability
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 10:25 PM
Jun 2023

It's impossible to know with 100% certainty, yes.

But you underestimate 'forest science' if you think it's 'impossible'.

It's far from it.

applegrove

(122,801 posts)
10. Oh you can't control where lightening strikes and that is how fires
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 11:02 PM
Jun 2023

mostly start. The only thing to do is stop burning carbon and maybe 200 years later the climates will return to normal. . We are talking about areas 12 thousand miles rectangular. There is no way.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
12. I'm saying there are areas where a combination of factors can be assessed
Wed Jun 28, 2023, 07:06 PM
Jun 2023

Drought/Rainfall patterns, soil moisture, flammable undergrown, lightning patterns, concentrations of diseased/deceased trees, proximity to humans who may drop cigarettes or factories/plants that could spew sparks, etc ... and come up with areas where it may make good, logical sense to cull trees and use them as fuel instead of letting them burn up in forest fires, a scenario where they do NOBODY any good.

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