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arikara

(5,562 posts)
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 04:34 PM Feb 2015

Inside the Orwellian Launch of Tories' Anti-Terrorism Act

Reporters in Ottawa became surly quickly Friday when it was discovered the government lock-up they attended for a briefing on proposed anti-terror legislation was light on information and heavy on restrictions.

The federal government was tabling Bill C-51, Canada's new ''Anti-Terrorism Act'' meant to bolster authorities' powers to prevent and dismantle terrorist activity. Journalists were corralled in a so-called lock-up to hear details of the new proposed law. Media lock-ups are frequently used to provide journalists with extra time to pore over information on a complicated subject, such as a budget. The reporters can't publish their pieces until a set time, usually when the government announcement becomes official.

<snip>

Bills are usually given to reporters in a lock-up before they are tabled in Parliament. A copy of the new Anti-Terrorism Act is what most members of the press were expecting Friday.

No bill to view

But when more than two dozen reporters arrived at the briefing in Ottawa, they were told they would not be getting a look at the bill, even before the question-and-answer portion of the technical briefing.

President of the Parliamentary Press Gallery Laura Payton took up the cause and at the back of the room argued with government staffers, questioning the point of having reporters sign an undertaking when they weren't even being given sensitive information, just backgrounders. The backgrounders detailed little information the reporters didn't already suspect would be in the new legislation.

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Meanwhile, a massive white screen lowered from the ceiling behind two Canadian flags. A six-metre-tall Stephen Harper was projected onto it as he gave a speech to introduce the new anti-terror legislation live in Richmond Hill, Ontario.

The prime minister talked about a growing ''great evil'' Canadians need to be scared of in the form of violent jihadists wanting to kill anyone ''who does not share their narrow and oppressive world view.''

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http://thetyee.ca/News/2015/01/31/Inside_Orwellian_Launch_Tories_Anti_Terrorism_Act/



One of the comments from the story:

Using US figures as a proxy for Canada...
You are 35,079 times more likely to die from heart disease than a terrorist attack.
You are 33,842 times more likely to die from cancer.
You are 6,000-24,000 times more likely to die from obesity.
You are 4,706 times more likely to drink yourself to death.
You are 187 times more likely to starve to death than be killed by a terrorist..
You are 9 times more likely to be killed by a law enforcement officer.
The chances of being killed by a terrorist are only marginally more than those of being killed by a meteorite.

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Inside the Orwellian Launch of Tories' Anti-Terrorism Act (Original Post) arikara Feb 2015 OP
Big Brother, eh? blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #1
"Promoting FEAR" is about the only good thing our Public Officials are these days! Johnny Rash Feb 2015 #2
Holy crap, the 6-metre tall Harper image was the icing on the cake JBoy Feb 2015 #3
I know, right? Creepy. arikara Feb 2015 #4
Even the Globe & Mail opposes this bill alcina Feb 2015 #5
Trudeau has said he'll support it... alcina Feb 2015 #6
Not a fan, Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2015 #7
I was really disappointed arikara Feb 2015 #8
Thank you for the link alcina Feb 2015 #9
I hear you arikara Feb 2015 #10
 

Johnny Rash

(227 posts)
2. "Promoting FEAR" is about the only good thing our Public Officials are these days!
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:07 AM
Feb 2015
Still, we all know the "Why" that is so!

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
3. Holy crap, the 6-metre tall Harper image was the icing on the cake
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:45 PM
Feb 2015

It's like they're a parody of the own Orwellian-ness.

alcina

(602 posts)
5. Even the Globe & Mail opposes this bill
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 03:45 PM
Feb 2015
Canadians should not be willing to accept such an obvious threat to their basic liberties. Our existing laws and our society are strong enough to stand up to the threat of terrorism without compromising our values.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/parliament-must-reject-harpers-secret-policeman-bill/article22729037/


I wonder if they're reconsidering that endorsement they gave him at the last election.

alcina

(602 posts)
6. Trudeau has said he'll support it...
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 03:56 PM
Feb 2015

even though he kinda sorta disagrees with it.

As CBC points out, this "...seems particularly odd because the bill includes a measure that would let the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) apply for a warrant to ignore the charter. The charter is indelibly linked to Trudeau, as it was written and enacted under the Liberal government headed by his father, former prime minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau.

Trudeau said he wants to see the bill changed to include better oversight for CSIS and regular reviews of its measures. But, he said, his party will vote for Bill C-51 even without amendments.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/anti-terrorism-bill-to-be-supported-by-liberals-justin-trudeau-says-1.2945187

Does anyone here have any thoughts about Justin Trudeau that they'd like to share? He basically strikes me as a pleasant man of average intelligence who is trying to follow in the footsteps of a father who was definitely above average. He does not strike me as much of an inspirational leader. Can anyone convince me otherwise? (That's a serious request.)

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
7. Not a fan,
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 09:30 PM
Feb 2015

to say the least. Apart from his stance on weed, he and the Liberal party vote with the Conservatives on just about every important bill that shreds constitutional rights, or gives away Canadian sovereignty. Moreover his stance on this bill is perplexing; he agrees with it, except that it needs more oversight, so he'll offer amendments that won't be included, so if he becomes Prime Minister he can fix it later. (I seem to recall the Liberals pledging to scrap the GST, decriminalize marijuana, and re-negotiate NAFTA before too.)

arikara

(5,562 posts)
8. I was really disappointed
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:22 PM
Feb 2015

actually more disgusted when I heard he was voting in favour. But I read this take today and it makes it a bit more palatable I guess, at least there is a reason for it.

It's a bitter pill to swallow. Stephen Harper's anti-terrorist Bill C-51 is deeply flawed, threatens our civil liberties and our internet freedom.

But if progressives don't want to risk handing Harper another bloody majority what Justin Trudeau said today was the way to play it.

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau says his caucus will vote in favour of a bill to vastly increase the powers of Canada's spy agency — with or without the improved oversight civil rights experts are calling for.

Because whatever anyone says, the brutal truth is that any other position at this time could be absolutely fatal.

This isn't an academic discussion, it's a trap Stephen Harper is setting for the opposition, and that is the best way to avoid it.

...more...

http://montrealsimon.blogspot.ca/2015/02/justin-trudeau-and-stephen-harpers.html#more


I actually think Justin is very smart. He wouldn't have gotten where he is so quickly without being intelligent. He's not his father, but maybe that's a good thing.

alcina

(602 posts)
9. Thank you for the link
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 09:00 AM
Feb 2015

I suppose that interpretation makes some degree of sense in the world of politics. However, given the extreme nature of this bill, I think it’s a poorly calculated risk for the Liberals, assuming they truly do disagree with it. As Joe S points out, the plan appears to be that Trudeau will grudgingly go along, in hopes that one day, when he is in a position of power, he will be able to then undo the damage. I’m not aware that such a strategy has been very successful in the past.

And I am particularly peeved today by this reminder about the Conservative and Liberal financial attack against the NDP:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/5-things-to-know-about-the-house-of-commons-invoices-to-ndp-mps-1.2946718

Seems to me that the Liberals choose to dance with the devil a little too often.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
10. I hear you
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 01:32 PM
Feb 2015

in my experience, once a bad bill is in it stays in. Rarely does the party coming up do anything about it except perhaps to change it for the worse. I have no illusions about Trudeau and the Liberal party being liberal in the true sense of the word, but at this point in Canada's history anybody but Harper is absolutely vital and I would vote for the Rhino party if they could beat Harper.

And I really hate how the Libs and NDP spend more time attacking each other than Harper, and even like the libs ganging up with Harper on the NDP. Bah.

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