Stephen Marche says IT LOOKS LIKE ARMED INSURGENTS. IT LOOKS LIKE POCKETS OF MILITIAS, WHICH ALREADY EXIST, THE 3 PERCENTERS. SOVEREIGN CITIZENS ALONE. THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF SOVEREIGN CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE 600,000 PEOPLE. SO THAT DWARFS ANYTHING IN THE '60s, RIGHT? I THINK THAT THE FAR RIGHT IN THE UNITED STATES IS A HUGE PART OF THE POPULATION AND THEY'RE EXTREMELY ARMED AND THEY ARE EXTREMELY FILLED WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS. AND WHAT WE'LL SEE IS, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE IN SYRIA WHERE... WELL, NOT EXACTLY, OF COURSE. BUT WHEN I IMAGINE IT, IT'S NOT ARMED ENCAMPMENTS, IT'S JUST THE BREAKDOWN INTO TINY POCKETS OF LITTLE LOYALTIES, WHICH WE'RE ALREADY THERE, RIGHT?

Stephen Marche says I WOULD JUST SAY A MILITARY INTERVENTION AS A GOOD CASE SCENARIO SHOULD TELL US WHERE WE'RE AT. I MEAN, THAT HAPPENED IN CHILE IN THE '70s WITH ALL THAT CAME WITH IT. AMERICA HAS SPENT 20 YEARS WITH A POLICY OF PACIFYING CIVIL UNREST IN OTHER COUNTRIES, AND THEY'VE BEEN A COMPLETE FAILURE AT IT. AND THE EXPERTS THAT I TALK TO ON COUNTER-TERRORISM AND COUNTER INSURGENCY, DON'T HAVE ANY HOPE THAT THEY COULD IMPOSE IT... THEY COULDN'T IMPOSE IT ON IRAQ. WHY WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO IMPOSE IT ON OREGON?

Stephen Marche says WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IN HINDSIGHT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE '60s IS THE SYSTEM WORKING. LIKE, WHAT WATERGATE WAS WAS THE SYSTEM WORKING. PEOPLE TRUSTING THE PRESS. THE APPLICATION OF LAW ONTO THE PRESIDENT. THE FACT THAT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. I MEAN, WATERGATE FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF 2020, THE SCANDAL INVOLVED IS SO MINOR AND SO NEGLIGIBLE COMPARED TO WHAT TRUMP HAS DONE WITH NO CONSEQUENCES... I MEAN, IT BARELY EVEN REGISTERS. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS OF COURSE HUGE UNREST IN THE '60s. 110 CITIES BURNED AFTER MLK WAS SHOT. BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO CONTEXT THE REALLY RADICAL MOVEMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE '60s, THE ONES THAT CALLED REAL FEAR, WERE VERY SMALL. THE BLACK PANTHERS... THE WEATHERMAN, THE BEST ESTIMATE IS THERE WERE ABOUT 1,000 OF THEM. THERE'S 600,000 SOVEREIGN CITIZENS AT A MINIMUM. THERE ARE MILITIA GROUPS IN STATES ALONE, LIKE IN WASHINGTON STATE ALONE, THAT DWARF THE WEATHERMEN AND HAVE TERRORIST IMPULSES AND ARE MUCH BETTER ARMED. I UNDERSTAND THE '60s WERE VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE. BUT WHAT WE'RE LIVING THROUGH NOW IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCALE OF CRISIS. WE TOTALLY, TOTALLY DIFFERENT.