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Worried2020

(444 posts)
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:25 PM Apr 2021

TRREB to drop 'master' bedroom term, replace with 'primary' in coming months

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TRREB to drop 'master' bedroom term, replace with 'primary' in coming months

TORONTO — Greater Toronto Area home hunters browsing through property listings will soon notice a change.
Apr 14, 2021 3:53 PM By: Canadian Press

https://www.baytoday.ca/business/trreb-to-drop-master-bedroom-term-replace-with-primary-in-coming-months-3631131

The organization will use the word "primary" in place of "master," when referencing the main or principal bedrooms in homes in the coming months, said Toronto Regional Real Estate Board president Lisa Patel. "We know that words matter, and this is a step forward in rethinking outdated terms and modernizing the language used in the real estate industry," TRREB said in a notice sent to realtors about the change.

The Ontario-based board is the latest in a string of real estate organizations to ditch terminology that is often seen as a reference to racism, sexism and slavery.

The Canadian Real Estate Association, for example, switched to using "primary" on Realtor.ca last October after a recommendation from the Real Estate Standards Organization.

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I have NO clue what to say . . .





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TRREB to drop 'master' bedroom term, replace with 'primary' in coming months (Original Post) Worried2020 Apr 2021 OP
I've been seeing this on some of the home remodeling shows. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2021 #1
I keep imagining some twit getting the shakes and Vogon_Glory Apr 2021 #2
Yes! Go on! NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2021 #4
He stares down the trembling realtor, flexing his muscles Vogon_Glory Apr 2021 #8
The use of master bedroom is NOT connected to slavery. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #3
The origin, in this case doesn't matter. It has offensive connotations, whether you care or not. hlthe2b Apr 2021 #7
I take it we're going to have to rename the PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #9
Higher education in which one 'masters' a field of study conflated with a bedroom, really? hlthe2b Apr 2021 #10
Not conflating anything. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #11
It need not refer to slavery, but honestly, do you refer to yourself, your kids, your spouse as hlthe2b Apr 2021 #12
No, I don't. Which has nothing to do with the name of the room. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #13
and yours is the perfect example of someone hlthe2b Apr 2021 #14
This debate is alive and well in the IT industry. mwooldri Apr 2021 #5
Why the hell does this bother the OP so much? The term IS offensive. Primary is a good replacement hlthe2b Apr 2021 #6
Hmmmmm! - so what should we call a master mechanic now then? Worried2020 Apr 2021 #15
The context is clearly someone who has mastered a craft, just as those who master a course hlthe2b Apr 2021 #16

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
1. I've been seeing this on some of the home remodeling shows.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:10 PM
Apr 2021

I’ve heard them call it the “main” or “primary” bedroom.

Seems sensible, to me.

Vogon_Glory

(9,572 posts)
2. I keep imagining some twit getting the shakes and
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:15 PM
Apr 2021

fearfully imagining some muscled escapee from a Tom of Finland drawing striding into the main bedroom dressed in black chaps, black motorcycle hat and boots, and little else.

Vogon_Glory

(9,572 posts)
8. He stares down the trembling realtor, flexing his muscles
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:32 AM
Apr 2021

as he shouts “ON YOUR KNEES, PIGLET! YOUR FIRST OFFER WAS UNSATISFACTORY! I WANT BETTER TERMS FOR THIS PROPERTY!”

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
3. The use of master bedroom is NOT connected to slavery.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:33 PM
Apr 2021

Not knowing where words came from is unpardonable. Too many people are idiots.

hlthe2b

(106,364 posts)
7. The origin, in this case doesn't matter. It has offensive connotations, whether you care or not.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:42 AM
Apr 2021

There is no reason not to refer to the largest bedroom as 'primary.'

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
9. I take it we're going to have to rename the
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:52 AM
Apr 2021

degree that is a "Masters", or find some other word instead of "master" tradesman. How about master of ceremonies?

I'm sorry, but if the context isn't actually slavery, that word is not offensive. It has many, many meanings and connotations besides that one.

hlthe2b

(106,364 posts)
10. Higher education in which one 'masters' a field of study conflated with a bedroom, really?
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:59 AM
Apr 2021

Such disingenuousness.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
11. Not conflating anything.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:02 AM
Apr 2021

Others are saying "master" is offensive because of its connection to slavery. Given that the use of the word "master" in "master bedroom" actually has zero connection to slavery, it's sheer ignorance to conflate those two. Since it's also not connected to those other things, what precisely is the difference? Except for those who have no knowledge of the origins of that term, again with no connection to slavery, manage to find it offensive.

hlthe2b

(106,364 posts)
12. It need not refer to slavery, but honestly, do you refer to yourself, your kids, your spouse as
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:06 AM
Apr 2021

"master" of the house? Because that WAS the reason the largest bedroom was termed NOT PRIMARY, but "Master" bedroom. In the 1950s, it might have not carried the same connotation, but today? Really?

Any realtor or those in home remodeling that refer that way today deserve not to be taken seriously--right up there with leading the woman client to the kitchen with a tiny counter "nook" when she expresses interest in a home office or asking if her husband has met with the loan officers as well when given no indication the sale was to be to anyone other than a professional single female.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
13. No, I don't. Which has nothing to do with the name of the room.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:12 AM
Apr 2021

Besides, I live alone. I do use the intended master bedroom (the one with the en suite bathroom) as my guest room, computer room.

Honestly, thinking that needs to be renamed becomes the perfect definition of being a snowflake.

hlthe2b

(106,364 posts)
14. and yours is the perfect example of someone
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:13 AM
Apr 2021

not giving a damn about others. Much like we see from our political opposites and I'm sure your thoughts on this will be quite welcome on their forums. I hope you are not like that, but your accusing others who are offended by certain speech of being "snowflakes," definitely is reminiscent.

mwooldri

(10,390 posts)
5. This debate is alive and well in the IT industry.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:30 AM
Apr 2021

Hard drives. Configured as Master and Slave, but one doesn't actually control the other.
Databases - where there is a primary data set and "clones".
Programming languages.

In some cases a name change is warranted. Others - debatable.

Worried2020

(444 posts)
15. Hmmmmm! - so what should we call a master mechanic now then?
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 04:17 AM
Apr 2021

,

OR

a person holding an academic degree higher than a bachelor's but lower than a doctor's or the degree itself even?

What should we now call a great figure of the past (as in science or art) whose work serves as a model or ideal?

a youth or boy too young to be called mister

and so on



I think this whole "political correctness" thing is ridiculous

it ain't "correct" at all

sheesh!





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hlthe2b

(106,364 posts)
16. The context is clearly someone who has mastered a craft, just as those who master a course
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 05:03 AM
Apr 2021

receive a Master's degree. You know damned well that is not the same at all.


But if it is that important to tell others you are "master" of your house, you've told us all we need to know. I feel sorry for those living with you if this is so damned important to YOU.

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