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Spazito

(54,362 posts)
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:05 AM Mar 2022

'Kyiv' or 'Kiev' -- Here's why the difference is political

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As Russian forces continue to attack Ukraine's cities, forcing more than a million people flee the country so far, onlookers around the world may be noticing different spellings and pronunciations of the name of the country's capital.

CBC has been using a transliteration based on the Ukrainian spelling of the name: "Kyiv" (pronounced "KEE-ef" ). The Russian version is "Kiev" (pronounced "kee-EV" ).

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Khanenko-Friesen says the spelling and pronunciation of "Kyiv" is significant during this "time of aggravated assault on the sovereignty and integrity of the Ukrainian state."

"Using, right now, the Ukrainian pronunciation of ... the capital is a very small choice one can do in recognition that Ukraine does have the right to exist as an independent nation, contrary to what Vladimir Putin has been stating in his recent statements and addresses to his nation."

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cbc-pronunciation-kyiv-ukraine-crisis-explainer-1.6371766

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fizzix137

(21 posts)
3. Not certain this is correct.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:51 AM
Mar 2022

When I learned Russian many years ago we all had trouble correctly pronouncing Kiev. As Americans, we said kee EV. The spelling in Russian is phonetically k ee yeh v, with stress on the first syllable. The unstressed ye becomes more like an ee and a v at the end loses its "voice" and becomes an f. So something like kee-eef results. We usually said keeEV among ourselves since it was so ingrained in us. It's been decades since I knew much Russian so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Spazito

(54,362 posts)
5. If you listen to the video in this article you might find it...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 12:06 PM
Mar 2022

helpful as it explains the difference and vocalizes the pronunciation of both words.

It is important, imo, to begin to use the Ukrainian pronunciation rather than the Russian one to indicate one's support for Ukraine and give them the respect they deserve.

erronis

(16,852 posts)
9. I had a family member posted to Kyiv - she corrected my pronunciation many times - and I learned.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:48 PM
Mar 2022

Same for "The Ukraine". Should be Ukraine (UKR), since "The Ukraine" implies an area such as "The Rockies" or "Bible Belt".

COL Mustard

(6,888 posts)
14. For consistency, we should also be using the Ukrainian spellings
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:58 PM
Mar 2022

For their cities, and for the most part we are. Odesa (Odessa), Lviv (Lvov), Kharkiv (Kharkov), etc.

Of course then we'd get into the German cities like Nürnberg (Nuremberg) and München (Munich).....

Spazito

(54,362 posts)
6. I didn't understand the difference either until reading this...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 12:08 PM
Mar 2022

and listening to the video on the pronunciation of both words. I found it very helpful.

mwooldri

(10,390 posts)
7. In my mind Kiev belongs to the era of the Soviet Union.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:36 PM
Mar 2022

Kyiv is for present day Ukraine. We don't call Mumbai Bombay any more, we don't call Beijing Peking.

mwooldri

(10,390 posts)
12. Some things didn't change with Beijing/Peking.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:55 PM
Mar 2022

The main university is still called Peking University. And as for that duck....

nuxvomica

(12,882 posts)
11. I'd also like to know the correct transliteration of "Zelenskyy"
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:49 PM
Mar 2022

I have been trying to remember the second "y" in writing.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. As far as pronunciation, I wish I could find the video
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 02:16 PM
Mar 2022

From a Ukrainian who was trying to correct everyone. It is nothing like anyone is saying now including anyone on tv.

Spazito

(54,362 posts)
16. There is a video in this article doing exactly that...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 02:21 PM
Mar 2022

explaining why English speakers have difficulty pronouncing Kyiv the way Ukrainians do, she pronounces Kyiv both ways. It is quite educational.

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