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Related: About this forumDid you forget I'm a hard Brexit madman? asks Corbyn
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/did-you-forget-im-a-hard-brexit-madman-asks-corbyn-20170630130785The Labour leader has sacked three frontbenchers you have never heard of for daring to vote for an amendment suggesting Brexit should perhaps not result in economic ruin.
Corbyn said: Yeah yeah, that White Stripes chant that misses out the second note and all that, but dont start thinking Im not in a frenzy like she is.
She wants hard Brexit so she can create a fascist dictatorship, I want it so I can build a monolithic socialist system. But we both agree youre getting it damned hard.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Voltaire2
(14,700 posts)Corbyn has been battling for control of his party and after vastly exceeding expectations now wants the respect normally given the head of the party.
Like healthcare here, the opposition party cannot collude with the party in power over their awful stupid course of action. Ownership of the disaster has to be unambiguous.
T_i_B
(14,800 posts)The ones sacked were the ones voting against the government instead of allowing bad legislation to be waved through.
If Corbyn and his supporters want more "respect" then they have to start doing the right thing.
It's worth remembering that the expectations that he has supposedly exceeded were catastrophic, and the main culprit for this not happening was not Corbyn or Momentum but Theresa May with her disastrous general election campaign.
Leaving the EU is a disaster, but Corbyn's failure to oppose it means that he will also share responsibility for the disaster.
delisen
(6,450 posts)Once long another was a moment in Canadian politics when people suggested that too much ambition to wield power was a negative.
I recall Pierre Trudeau who was running at that time giving a speech in which he asked the question, "How much do I want to be Prime Minister? and answering it thusly:"Not very much." (Not sure I believed him but the thought lingered with me that in democracies that candidate who is primarily about advancing himself may be the worst choice for leader.
Perhaps we need to strive to find political candidates who are low on the personal ambition/self promotion/make my mark scales and high on the peace/justice/good government scales.
It is not what the president as an individual accomplishes in four or eight years but what we, as a people, are able to accomplish by the wise governance a president is able and willing to provide that is important.
No more would-be kings and would-be emperors.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,475 posts)---snip---
Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three Labour frontbenchers who voted against the party in favour of a Queens speech amendment calling for Britain to remain within the customs union and single market.
Queen's speech passes as 50 Labour MPs defy Corbyn and back staying in single market - Politics live
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The Labour leader, who has been emboldened by the general election result, decided to take a tougher approach than after the vote to trigger article 50, when shadow ministers who rebelled were allowed to remain in position.
Shadow housing ministers Andy Slaughter and Ruth Cadbury and shadow Foreign Office minister Catherine West joined dozens of Labour backbenchers, the SNP, Liberal Democrats, Greens and Plaid Cymru in backing the amendment.
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Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/29/jeremy-corbyn-sacks-three-frontbenchers-after-single-market-vote
So they voted to amend the Tory policy; Corbyn wanted all his party to abstain.