beat Trump by a few months later).

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

We need a 2nd (and this time BINDING) referendum in all the UK!

Wales should hold an independence referendum if Brexit happens without a further EU poll, Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price has said.
People could then choose between an independent Wales at Europe's "heart" or a "forgotten second-class region in a dying British state," he said.

And Welsh Independence Has Gone Mainstream
A Brexit continues to fuel discontent across the UK, more and more people in Wales are asking if the future looks brighter apart from Britain.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/7xgw9y/wales-independence-mainstream-support


Agree totally with your point about a second referendum. Brexit will leave Great Britain with England and no Scotland or NI.

bloody nightmares continue for both my nations

At the same time. Beating Trump will be absolutely essential. If we do that we can start to return to normalcy. I have no idea where the UK ends up. Brexit seems like a murder/suicide with so many poor victims.


It is a nightmare but here’s hoping you get both your countries back and as a Yank I hope the UK remains a powerful force for liberal democracy and a strong united Europe and gets a second referendum.

If the US ever rescinds our marriage via a RW SCOTUS decision (I am a married lesbian) I will renounce my US citizenship (my wife has talked me into it). It unfortunately now costs a tonne, $2,350 USD a person (with rumours that will go up yet again in a few years), plus a nightmare in terms of taxes, but fuck it at that point.

But there is so much I couldn’t have dreamt of that has come about.
All I can say is that Mrs Bronxite and me will be demonstrating our rears off for your rights if those GOP nut jobs ever try to turn back the clock on your human rights.

Especially if we fail to take back the Senate in 2020 or 2022.

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Breyer
Sotomayor (worsening diabetes that has hospitalised her in the past several years may force her to retire)
Thomas may retire if he thinks it is a safe bet a fellow RWNJ will take his seat

That would leave Elena Kagan as the only liberal justice, and the Court loaded with younger RWers. Alito (69) and Roberts (64) would be the oldest members.

Even if Rump loses, but McTurtle is the majority leader for the next 4 years, I do not see a Democratic nominee getting a vote.

The rabid Red states' fundie legislative scum will try and roll back LGBTQ protections with laws designed to go up to a RW SCOTUS (just like abortion, racial protections, gender protections, etc etc)

It is 5-4 RW now

5-2 RW (if 2 liberals die or retire and the Senate blocks a Democratic POTUS's nominees) works the same as 6-3 or 7-2 RW

But if we beat Cheeto by big margins, there is a chance we get the Senate. I agree about McConnell, he is odious and will do all he can to stop a Dem POTUS. But maybe McConnell loses in 2020. At least we can hope.

The idiots that voted for Brexit would more than likely still vote for it again. ....EVERY. LAST. RACIST. ONE. OF. THEM.

And the UK is not likely to ever let Wales have a referendum on leaving. ...at least in my lifetime. Support for Welsh Independence has hovered around 10% for decades....so a vote to leave the UK isn't likely in Wales...or for that matter, Northern Ireland since the majority of them don't want to split either. Don't confuse the majority of people in Wales and NI with what some people in Scotland want. ...Scotland would be the only country that could possibly do it and it's not a done deal in any way.....far from it, even with Brexit.

And Adam Price is mostly talk and no action....especially when Plaid Cymru isn't even the majority party in the Welsh Assembly....Labour is.

Since I am only a yank with an interest!

But I would say that NI is a matter of time. Joining the Republic seems inevitable given demographics. I have seen that support for a unified Ireland has grown in the Republic since Brexit. In an aside, it is incredible that the Brexit idiots just side stepped the Good Friday accords.Why would anyone want to open up those wounds?

As to Wales I did see the 10% number. If Brexit turns into an economic disaster, I would think young people would pull for independence. We here have had our full of “economic anxiety voters”.
Brexit seems tailor made for economic anxiety and that brings a desire to upend the government structure. But Welsh independence does seem like a long shot.

Has always been strong in the Republic....that's not the problem. The majority of people in NORTHERN Ireland don't want it.....however, the Protestant majority in NI is now barely there. ....so if Brexit happens....Reunification chances increase.....however, there's likely to be a lot of blood shed so no one really knows.

Brexit is already an economic disaster. The problem with Wales is that it's economy has pretty much sucked forever already. An underlying factor in those voting to leave was jobs. Their thinking was about the extent of..... 'well all those Polish people and Eastern Europeans will go home now and all these jobs will magically appear for us'....nevermind that we didn't want the jobs to begin with because the pay was too low.

Fwiw....I'm no expert and pretty much no one knows what is going to happen next.....especially the idiot Tories and the racist UKIPs who got us into this mess in the first place.

Thanks for info.

The anti-Welsh language Welsh are teeming in Wales. They are afraid of the Welsh speakers gaining power. Labour has been in power in Wales mainly because of the miners in the Valleys, but the influx of English pensioners have priced out a high percentage of the locals from buying their own homes in their own country.