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Related: About this forum'state-sponsored trafficking'- Peers will fight UK government's awful Rwanda plans, says Lord Dubbs
Ministers will face a fierce battle in parliament over plans to force some asylum seekers to be relocated to Rwanda, a Labour peer and former child refugee has vowed.
Alf Dubs, who was brought to Britain from Czechoslovakia on one of the Kindertransport trains in 1939, told the Guardian that the government was trying to ride roughshod over international agreements designed to help those seeking sanctuary.
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I think its a way of getting rid of people the government doesnt want, dumping them in a distant African country, and theyll have no chance of getting out of there again, he said.
I think its a breach of the 1951 Geneva conventions on refugees. You cant just shunt them around like unwanted people.
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Asked if the resettlement scheme was ever likely to get off the ground, given the threat of judicial reviews and other court action, Dubs said: I think its unlikely. As soon as they try and remove one person, Im sure therell be a legal challenge, and Im not sure the government will win it.
Alf Dubs, who was brought to Britain from Czechoslovakia on one of the Kindertransport trains in 1939, told the Guardian that the government was trying to ride roughshod over international agreements designed to help those seeking sanctuary.
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I think its a way of getting rid of people the government doesnt want, dumping them in a distant African country, and theyll have no chance of getting out of there again, he said.
I think its a breach of the 1951 Geneva conventions on refugees. You cant just shunt them around like unwanted people.
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Asked if the resettlement scheme was ever likely to get off the ground, given the threat of judicial reviews and other court action, Dubs said: I think its unlikely. As soon as they try and remove one person, Im sure therell be a legal challenge, and Im not sure the government will win it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/16/peers-will-fight-uk-governments-awful-rwanda-plans-says-lord-dubs
Part of me wants to believe that this is all performative - racist red rag to the red wall Brexit crowd, but I don't think it is. The Conservative Party is truly this far right now. UKIP has taken over and they are really this horrid.
I have just finished listening to Any Questions from last night - if you get the chance have a listen on BBC Sounds - David Lammy was out of this world on this subject. They have literally no shame - they need to go.
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'state-sponsored trafficking'- Peers will fight UK government's awful Rwanda plans, says Lord Dubbs (Original Post)
Soph0571
Apr 2022
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Priti Patel 'overruled' concerns of top Home Office civil servant over Rwanda asylum plan
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2022
#1
It would upset them; but also, the UK government is responsible for foreign policy for them
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2022
#3
muriel_volestrangler
(102,483 posts)1. Priti Patel 'overruled' concerns of top Home Office civil servant over Rwanda asylum plan
The Home Secretary has issued a rare "ministerial direction" to overrule concerns of a top civil servant regarding plans to ship some asylum seekers to Rwanda, it is reported.
It is understood Home Office civil servants raised concerns that the plan would not deliver value for money.
Multiple reports have surfaced that Priti Patel shot down those concerns and issued a ministerial direction to overrule them.
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The UN refugee agency blasted the move as "unacceptable" and claimed the plans breached international and refugee law.
Assistant secretary-general Gillian Triggs also questioned whether it would act as a long-term deterrent, given Israels attempt to do something similar in Rwanda with Eritrean and Sudanese incomers saw the refugees leave the country and start the process all over again.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/priti-patel-overruled-concerns-top-080619620.html
It is understood Home Office civil servants raised concerns that the plan would not deliver value for money.
Multiple reports have surfaced that Priti Patel shot down those concerns and issued a ministerial direction to overrule them.
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The UN refugee agency blasted the move as "unacceptable" and claimed the plans breached international and refugee law.
Assistant secretary-general Gillian Triggs also questioned whether it would act as a long-term deterrent, given Israels attempt to do something similar in Rwanda with Eritrean and Sudanese incomers saw the refugees leave the country and start the process all over again.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/priti-patel-overruled-concerns-top-080619620.html
And when David Davis and Andrew Mitchell call it immoral, impractical, and involving astronomic costs, you know it's evil.
mitch96
(14,658 posts)2. My question is, why Rwanda? Why not the Isle of Mann? or the Channel Islands?
Could it be that would upset too many white male Christian land owners?
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muriel_volestrangler
(102,483 posts)3. It would upset them; but also, the UK government is responsible for foreign policy for them
and the purpose of this is to remove the unwanted foreigners from British jurisdiction and make them Somebody Else's Problem. And also, it is explicitly being sold by the government as a deterrent - "you'll never be allowed to settle in this developed country, you'll be sent to a developing country with a dodgy human rights record, a GDP per capita of about $900, and the highest population density in Africa". The Rwandan president may also be one of the few people who'd agree to this.