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muriel_volestrangler

(102,047 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 06:05 AM Jun 20

Early election turns out to have been great chance for Tories to clean up on the betting

Conservatives' director of campaigning takes leave of absence

Tony Lee, the Director of Campaigning at the Conservative Party, has taken a leave of absence, a party spokesperson has told the BBC. He left the campaign yesterday.

His wife, Laura Saunders, is the Conservative candidate being looked into by the Gambling Commission over a bet relating to the timing of the general election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd119p9een9t

It's so goddamn petty. They couldn't have made millions of it - that would have been too obvious. But they just can't resist the opportunity to make a few hundred quid with a bet using their inside knowledge. It's the same mentality as the Downing St booze parties under lockdown - "we don't have to follow the little rules, like the little people do."
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Early election turns out to have been great chance for Tories to clean up on the betting (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 OP
The ones I feel sorry for T_i_B Jun 20 #1
Reminds me of 2004 election. I had a bad feeling about Bush winning the election. I was in London. 3Hotdogs Jun 20 #2
4 Tories and several police bet on the date; now a Labour candidate admitted betting on the Tories to win muriel_volestrangler Jun 25 #3
I genuinely can't understand why candidates think this is OK T_i_B Jun 26 #4
I can see that they might claim betting on themselves or their own party to win might be OK muriel_volestrangler Jun 26 #5

T_i_B

(14,787 posts)
1. The ones I feel sorry for
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:16 AM
Jun 20

Are the politicians and activists who booked holidays for this time of year to recover from the local election campaign, only to have a general election campaign thrust upon them!

3Hotdogs

(13,089 posts)
2. Reminds me of 2004 election. I had a bad feeling about Bush winning the election. I was in London.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:36 AM
Jun 20

So I went to Ladbroke's (perfect name) betting parlor and put a couple'a pounds down on Bush winning. I figured, at least, I'd feel good about something.

I ended up with about 15 lb profit.

It was one of the London tabloid front page ---"How can 150,000,000 people be this stupid? Now comes Trump.


muriel_volestrangler

(102,047 posts)
3. 4 Tories and several police bet on the date; now a Labour candidate admitted betting on the Tories to win
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 02:31 PM
Jun 25

Probably better an idiot like that isn't in parliament.

The suspended Labour candidate Kevin Craig said he “deeply” regrets putting a bet on the Tories winning in the Suffolk constituency he is contesting.

Craig added he will “fully comply” with a Gambling Commission investigation.

He wrote on X: “A few weeks ago when I thought I would never win this seat I put a bet on the Tories to win here with the intention of giving any winnings to local charities. While I did not place this bet with any prior knowledge of the outcome, this was a huge mistake, for which I apologise unreservedly.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/25/uk-general-election-live-updates-latest-today-tories-labour-betting-scandal-polls?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-667afde88f08fb1b8fd1677a#block-667afde88f08fb1b8fd1677a

Not only is betting on your opponent a potential corrupt act, he also stood a chance of winning (but probably not now) - Electoral Calculus had him at 48% chance: https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Suffolk%20Central%20and%20Ipswich%20North

Oh, sorry, 5 Tories:

A Conservative politician has become the fifth party figure to be investigated by the gambling watchdog for allegedly placing a suspicious bet on the general election date, as the developing scandal continued to overshadow Rishi Sunak’s campaign.

The Gambling Commission has informed Russell George, a Tory member of the Welsh parliament who represents the same constituency as Sunak’s closest parliamentary aide Craig Williams, that he is part of its inquiry.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/25/election-betting-fifth-tory-investigated-in-growing-scandal

Still, you have to laugh - BBC radio pointed out Kevin Craig was the founder and CEO of PLMR public relations - who worked on the "Responsible Gambling Week".

T_i_B

(14,787 posts)
4. I genuinely can't understand why candidates think this is OK
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 01:11 PM
Jun 26

If they were professional sports athletes they would be looking at severe or permanent bans for getting caught playing at this sort of nonsense!

muriel_volestrangler

(102,047 posts)
5. I can see that they might claim betting on themselves or their own party to win might be OK
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 02:46 PM
Jun 26

though I believe professional sport players aren't allowed even to do that (whether because they might still have inside information - say, a teammate is recovering from injury faster than publicly known - or just to discourage betting which has been a personal problem in sporting types, I'm not sure). You might say that internal polls could give a similar unfair advantage, though. They should at least be willing to say in public when they do "I've just bet on myself to win - I think we have a better chance than the bookies say".

But the bets on timing of elections, or on your opponent to win, just look like cheating.

I wonder when people will bring up Sunak's bet with Piers Morgan about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda. Sure, it was for each to nominate a charity (Morgan has already claimed victory, and nominated the British Red Cross), and it was indeed in public, but it might be good for someone to mention it and see how Sunak tries to justify what he did.

Oh, I hadn't seen this - Sunak has tried to say the one guy who they paid to go there means the bet was off:


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