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Scott m. Etches

(32 posts)
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:54 AM Feb 2016

Electoral College vs. Electoral System

I have a hard time finding people who know the difference. OMG, these people vote and wonder why it never changes anything.

Effective political discourse requires all points of view rather than the two polarized party pamphlets.

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Electoral College vs. Electoral System (Original Post) Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 OP
Explain the electoral college to me. SaveTheMackerel Feb 2016 #1
I take it you've never heard of National Popular Vote eniwetok Mar 2016 #3
if we can't get rid of the EC... eniwetok Mar 2016 #2
 

SaveTheMackerel

(37 posts)
1. Explain the electoral college to me.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

I know each state gets an equal number of electors as their representatives plus their senators, that most states are winner take all, and that 270 is needed to win.

My question is at the district level. Is each district winner take all for that district's elector, and then the state winner take all based on which candidate got the most electors? If so, gerrymandering sounds like a big issue.

If not, if it is just winner take all for the whole state, that is not as bad. However, I no longer think the electoral college is the best way to elect a national centrist. In theory, if the winner is disapproved of by 100% in one state, I think that state might be more likely to fight. The extra votes should matter. Also, in practice, if a state flips all or nothing on a close vote, that means a little bit of voter fraud goes a long away.




My compromise:


The problem with the direct popular vote is that most small states are conservative, which means the big state of Texas will never go long with it. I doubt the swing states will either. So it won't pass.

I have a more viable alternative.
We throw all vote 270 votes to the weighted popular vote. Make each state still worth a certain number of electors, but not winner take all. Each candidate gets a decimal fraction of the elector value of that state. That way, no votes are wasted, and the small states still have support. I suspect Texas would go along with that. We just need to launch the alternative inter-state-compact. Of course, liberal states would prefer the first. It is just a question of how badly we want to end voter fraud and gerrymandering in presidential races.



As polarized as our government is, I don't see many compromises every passing. That means that civil war and then dictatorship will eventually come.

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
3. I take it you've never heard of National Popular Vote
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

Many of the states have for years been working on their own plan called the National Popular Vote.

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

The National Popular Vote interstate compact would not take effect until enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes—that is, enough to elect a President (270 of 538). Under the compact, the winner would be the candidate who received the most popular votes from all 50 states (and DC) on Election Day. When the Electoral College meets in mid-December, the national popular vote winner would receive all of the electoral votes of the enacting states.


I think there are problems with this scheme... that there will be a massive outcry when citizens of a state that vote for X find their state electors all going for Y.

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
2. if we can't get rid of the EC...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

Too many just accept that antidemocratic abomination called the EC out of deference to the Framers. It's my view that we place democratic principles before Framer Worship. The EC simply can not produce morally legitimate government when it installs as president someone REJECTED by the People.

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