we're screwed. again.

they've been blaming the dems all over the country for years for non-existant voter fraud to pass their voter suppression crap.

all the better if bernie supporters blame hillary - nicely done

palast is warning what republicans are doing and what they will do

and the idiot left ignores the massive talk radio monopoly that will be used to turn chaotic elections to their advantage all over the country - worth at least $390MIL/MONTH FREE to the fucking republican election thieves.

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, hate, and swiftboating

and in NY the university of syracuse endorses 6 limbaugh stations that are working for the republican election thieves

and it's only one of 90 major universities supporting 268 limbuagh stations while they help the republicans set this up and then manage it in november

that makes those universities perfect places to protest anything republican - they will freak out

If the Republican rulers of of NY can do this there, then they can do it anywhere.

Biggest part was done in the place he was born in.

It affected primarily long registered Democrats (you know, the ones that overwhelmingly vote for Hillary).

If any candidate is behind this one, and using the same style of argument your types like to use, Bernie Sanders had rigged the election in New York, and Hillary should have walked away with even more delegates if Bernie hadn't disenfranchised her voters.

Provide a source to back that claim up.

Your Sanders camp are making the claim that Hillary is behind it. You provide yours and then I'll provide mine.

See, this is DU where apparently we're now allowed to freely slander candidates with absolutely no proof at all.

If your side can claim that Hillary was behind it all, then.. fairs fair.

Now provide a source for your assertion.

So either call their unsubstantiated claim "Bullshit" as well. Where you appear consistant and fair.
One of your surrogates provde their own information that substantiates the claim to which I countered.
Or continue your rant of righteous hypocracy.

I'm still waiting for evidence of your ridiculous claim.

is this a joke?

I just wanted some to see what it feels like when the candidate you fully believe in is attacked with baseless, completely unsubstantiated, and hyperbolic insults.

Attack the process, attack the disenfranchisement of voters..any voters..without any regard to who they may or may not support, and you absolutely have an ally here.

Attack the candidate with something completely unsubstantiated linking her, insinuating her, or implicating her with no evidence.. What so ever.. I'll return the favor.

that

First there's the very obvious insinuation of the person I originally replied to.

Another one in a thread I was just in:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141424044#post15

And that's only one in this thread and the one I just linked.

if you are talking about the poll irregularities, You have to understand this stuff has never in my life happened before- And I am in my 50s and have voted in every Presidential election since I was 18.

Example, watch this video starting at around 25:00-

Sanders trounces the vote among new and young voters (the Oct. 9 registration deadline before even the first debate guaranteed to block those newly inspired by Sanders), and among voters who had gotten disgusted and discouraged by "business as usual".

If so, you do make a great point, and I've missed that information.

... and voter purges are one of those discretionary tools at the hands of elections boards, who tend to be pro-establishment.

I often wondered why the DNC didn't go into full attack mode on election fraud (as opposed to voter fraud, non-existent). It hadn't occurred to me before that these types of shenanigans benefit the establishment of both parties. Debbie Wasserman Schultz would definitely prefer Dems in the minority but she holds her position, over Dems in the majority but her losing a primary. It's that simple. One silver lining in the NY election (and in AZ and IL and MA, etc.) is that this nonsense is being exposed and lawsuits are already happening.

We tended to focus on general elections, and the Southern states, not realizing that some of the worst voter suppression happens in places like NY and Chicago.

One of the few who can still call himself a real journalist in today's world of infomercials, reality shows and side shows...

a provisional ballot just in case the lawsuit to open the primary succeeded.

That would explain why the exit polls didn't match the real results. The votes of the 20% weren't counted.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3011301/new-york-independent-voters-purged-democrats-urged-to-vote-with-provisional-ballots-in-presidential-primary/

“We are encouraging all independent and disenfranchised voters to VOTE (Tuesday) by provisional ballot,” Shyla Nelson of Election Justice USA said. “They should tell poll workers that there is a motion pending in Federal District Court to declare the Primary open.”

This just the intro. The major point is what the headline says - expected shenanigans in November. And we all know which party has a history of pulling them.....

Instead he compared last election he worked with this one. He was talking about Democrats who arrived to vote and found they were no longer registered.

I have read your posts about caucuses and you had seemed then to be a little more careful about not letting your personal bias effect your analysis. I appreciated your posts for that reason.

I think you need to rethink your defense of what has clearly been shown to be something having "gone wrong" and resulted in even long term democrats getting disenfranchised.

in case the "emergency" lawsuit succeeded in opening the primary.

And we know that a significant number of voters identified themselves in exit polls as independents -- even though it was a primary open only to Dems.

And we know that, at least in some precincts, there were an unusual number of provisional ballots.

So why is it illogical to think that the lawsuit filers succeeded in getting a significant number of independents to request a provisional ballot, in case the judge ordered the primary to be opened to all?

And that the discrepancy between the exit polls and the actual results could be explained by the fact that voters who cast provisional ballots were included in exit polls but not in the reported results?

How exit polls showed voters identifying themselves as independents. That weakens the argument that many voters had their party affiliation changed.

Were just those registered as Democrats or Republicans in this book? Or everyone including those without party affiliation?

How would the poll worker know that they were registered as a Democrat before unless it was someone he knew enough to know their party affiliation? If the poll books only had those that had a registered party affiliation how would they know that the person was no longer a registered voter?

Every time you vote, you sign in the book, in the space for your signature for that election. If your name isn't in the Democrat book, you are not registered as a Democrat. Your party affiliation is tied to your registration.

I was only able to find one county where it was set up that way and it was clear by their instructions.

It appeared that one of the NYC counties had them all in one book. But it wasn't clear. I did find that ballots are color coded based on party affiliation. It would seem that to reduce errors separate books that are also color coded would work best too.

mere mixup.

to the disruption of Hurricane Sandy, when many NY voters were allowed to vote elsewhere. That might, unfortunately, have resulted in an inadvertent address change for many.

But we do need to get to the bottom of what happened, even though it didn't change the outcome. (If anything it meant a loss for Hillary, who strongly carried Brooklyn and all the NY boroughs.)

Any problems need to be dealt with before we get to the general.

bottom...of a deep lake.

The evil Hillery campaign, with deadly 100% accuracy, kicked 126 thousand die hard Bernie voters out of the Democratic party.

Clinton still wins by 8.5%.

didn't take the time to fill one out. that's exactly the point of doing this

Thieves of democracy are traitors to all that the constitution stands for.

from Facebook.

Although I have heard little about it I suspect Ohio was much the same as NY.

It is being reported on News 880 NYC of election fraud. They acknowledge in the City the Democratic knows of the problem for years. They try to quiet people down and do nothing afterwards. In 2008 Hillary got close to 100% of the vote in Harlem and East New York, Brooklyn. Obama received zero votes. So the first Black man running for the Presidency does nt receive 1 vote from these two neighbors. Mayor Bloomburg went on television and reported election fraud.

Thanks for the thread, Donkees.

They're going to look foolish whining about election fraud when it negatively effects their candidate in the GE. I'm a huge fan of Palast, have seen him speak twice, and have signed copies of 'Armed Madhouse' and 'Best Democracy...'.

Pray tell.

uh-doy

Put your Gumby suit on and give an explanation a try. I await your reasoning.

Seems like it's no BFD so long as a certain candidate isn't effected. People are being mocked as conspiracy theorists here for expressing concern.

I'd say all us sensible Democrats are well aware of the voter purges that have been going on and the rest of the antics of the repugnants aimed at fixing elections, including gerrymandering. I'd love more to be done about it. What do you suggest? This shit didn't just start, it has been going on for a long time, way back when Bernie was a Socialist, not just recently.

And quit pretending that only bernies know what the fuck is up about this and everything else. It's as arrogant as it is uninformed. We didn't just jump into the Democratic party you know. We know who the farkin bad guys are and what they are up to.

the one where many that came out yesterday didn't then....if they didn't vote in a school board, local election, fire district election, of the 2012 election there is a good chance they were purged. In 08 there were lots of purges and new electronic voting was coming on line. I was recruited by the Senate to monitor elections in my county. The next largest category of purges was people that failed to update there address's on the NY drivers licenses, yeah who thinks about that when its an 8 year renewal. On top of that you cannot not have a post office address, it must be a physical address that can be verified. Then the people that don't want government to be busy bodies check off not-affiliated on there Driver License applications, NY has motor voter. You can call it a demolition derby if you wish, but its not the Board of Elections responsibility, its you the voter to keep them informed. The NY Constitution incorporated into it many provisions the new help America Vote Act of 2002. I just giving you reasons why one get vaporized.....its actually self-inflicted since many don't participate in voting when and where it counts.

It puts more work on the shoulders of those that work the polls and they can only go by the lists. Its even hard to fill these positions because people couldn't be bothered. Its usually left up to the major political parties to find people to work. I was heartened to see some young people instead of 70-80 year old ladies sitting in my District yesterday.

I covered 36 sq miles + and then was sent to the most controversial section in the county where there is a large voting bloc. I had to assist and arbitrate many of the applications for affidavit ballots. This was suppose to be the big trial run in a presidential year 08....for all the suggestions and fixes including BOE notifications people still can't get it right. People need to get serious about voting in every election or at the very least check on of the many on-line sites that will tell you if your registered or where to vote.

Our elections are, have (and possibly always have been), and will always be a damned joke.

Carlin was right:

Reflects what Hillary brings to the table perfectly.

This year our caucuses went to shit. In 2008, we had record attendance and participation. This year, a complete shitstorm.

Rampant cheating at the precinct level. Hillary supporters caught on video committing voter fraud. 100 precincts without precinct chairs. Errors found in official state-reported results. Tons of people not on the voter rolls. Caucus sites too small for the turnout. A Des Moines Register editorial written by the entire editorial board titled, "Something smells in the Iowa Democrstic Caucuses", the Iowa Democratic Party Chair refusing to allow an audit of the results, the PDF that listed official precinct results removed from the Iowa Democratic Party website, and on and on.

The difference is--Hillary Clinton and her wake of destruction. Cheating, shenanigans; and surrogates and supporters who heed the "win at all costs" mentality by cheating, stealing and lying.

Again, we had no problems in 2008 with record attendance. The difference this year was Hillary Clinton and her FEMA-worthy campaign.

We've seen this from state to state to state. It's destruction on steroids and a complete and utter disrespect for the people in these states, their processes and our democracy in general.

What a disgrace.

"This would be a great place to start a democracy."

becasue that is acceptable..in Iowa,in Nev,in Mass..and its also acceptable if Bill Clinton campaigns within 50 feet of the polling entrance and blocks voters from voting...

that because our party was collectively railing against Bush stealing elections--that the Democrats were moral people who didn't steal elections and engage in voter suppression and dirty election tricks.

I had no idea that there was a contingent within our party that would actually enage in the same immoral Bush tactics.

I thought the Republicans were evil and immoral, while the Democrats were righteous and moral. Turns out, there's a faction in our party that is not against cheating and rigging elections, per se. They are willing to do it themselves.

It's very bizarre.

It makes me wonder what else we have been wrong about. Things are not always as they first appear.

We have to keep the revolution going. We have to stay in this fight.

We've come so far. We have to see this through to the convention.

Neither Hillary or Bernie will have enough pledged delegates, before the convention, to clinch the nomination!

Candidate that wanted this as much as Hillary Clinton ..,or as long (30 years)
The Clinton campaign is using the same Karl Rove tactics as Bush/Cheney...
It would be of no surprise if we would find out that Karl Rove is actually advising the Clinton campaign.......

I'm tempted to say that Tammany Hall is alive and well, but that's unfair on Tammany Hall, which at least was known to sometimes use its admittedly dubious strongarm tactics in order to help out the little guy.

If he was in the established allowance he and every other person who was promoting a candidate had a right to be there. That includes Bernie supporters.

It's obvious to me that elements of both parties (allied with RNC/DNC) have figured that their strategies to cheat up the elections were worth more to their interests than truly honest elections.
IMHO, we should go direct to the gold standard - a hand marked, hand counted paper ballot! Election night results using machine counting and computer tabulation should be provisional, and a manual, hand count and open tabulation (within 48() hours)should be the offical results. This will take a LOT of people the first time around - perhaps "drafted" from the federal court system, or mobilized elements of the National Guard.
Worth every dime, to me. The very integrity and legitimacy of our government is at stake.

HAVA was a massive scam.

....with lots of misguided (or uninformed) independents trying to vote.

Both include Entrenched Elite Establishment types that are scared that someone may disrupt their power and control.

Time for a big ass Revolution.

Do we have the most corrupt voting system in the civilized world?