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A former Justice Department lawyer thinks hes found a way to penalize states that undermine voting rights.
Its been a hard few years for people worried about voting rights in America. Republican-controlled states are imposing a raft of new restrictions. A divided Congress has failed to pass any legislation in response. And the Supreme Court just agreed to hear a case that could give state legislatures unchecked power over election rules.
But perhaps a largely forgotten provision of the Constitution offers a solution to safeguard American democracy. Created amid some of the countrys most violent clashes over voting rights, Section 2 of the 14th Amendment provides a harsh penalty for any state where the right to vote is denied or in any way abridged.
A state that crosses the line would lose a percentage of its seats in the House of Representatives in proportion to how many voters it disenfranchises. If a state abridges voting rights for, say, 10 percent of its eligible voters, that state would lose 10 percent of its representatives and with fewer House seats, it would get fewer votes in the Electoral College, too.
Under the so-called penalty clause, it doesnt matter how a state abridges the right to vote, or even why. The framers of the constitutional amendment worried that they would not be able to predict all the creative ways that states would find to disenfranchise Black voters. They designed the clause so that they wouldnt have to. No matter what may be the ground of exclusion, Sen. Jacob Howard, a Republican from Michigan, explained in 1866, whether a want of education, a want of property, a want of color, or a want of anything else, it is sufficient that the person is excluded from the category of voters, and the State loses representation in proportion.
That approach could come in handy for discouraging states from imposing more limits on voting, as the country witnesses what Adam Lioz, senior policy counsel at the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, calls the greatest assault on voting rights since Jim Crow.
Theres just one problem: The penalty clause isnt being enforced and never has been. . .
Analysis by a data scientist cited in the lawsuit found that seven states Arizona, Maryland, Mississippi, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee and Virginia would gain at least one seat each if the Census Bureau fully applied the penalty. . .
Still, simply because the provision may be difficult to interpret doesnt mean it can easily be ignored. Its still a piece of the Constitution, even if its been gathering dust. Meanwhile, voting rights for millions of Americans particularly people of color are increasingly imperiled.
It will be months, perhaps years, before Pettinatos lawsuit is finally resolved. But for all the hurdles facing him, he remains enthusiastic.
I just feel very lucky to be able to bring this case, Pettinato says, and to try to revive a part of the Constitution thats laid dormant for 150 years.'
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/27/penalty-clause-voting-rights-00046973?
bucolic_frolic
(46,561 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)those seven which would gain seats. And how could Mississippi of all states, and Tennessee, another southern state, and Arizona, which may as well be one after all the voter shenanigans that have gone on there, gain seats instead of losing them?
FBaggins
(27,441 posts)This isnt going anywhere
G2theD
(601 posts)FBaggins
(27,441 posts)Theyre talking about not letting the former slaves vote at all. They arent talking about limiting the number of early voting days (there were none at all at the time) or drop boxes (ditto) or gerrymandering (which existed well before the amendment. )
What happens when the Republican version of this nonsense pops up again and they interpret the constitutions requirement that each state have a republican form of government?? Youll just accept that its in the constitution!?
Section 2 of the 14th Amendment provides a harsh penalty for any state where the right to vote is denied or in any way abridged.
FBaggins
(27,441 posts)It simply can't be argued that someone who retains the right to vote (indeed, likely does vote) has had that right "abridged" by not being able to get water while waiting in line or having one fewer weekend available for early voting.
G2theD
(601 posts)But many other things the republicans are doing would qualify, I would think.
FBaggins
(27,441 posts)There is no such legal standard.
Democrats want as many people to vote as possible and therefore want it to be as easy to do as possible. But that isnt legally at all the same thing as saying anything other than our preferred policies are tantamount to disenfranchisement when nobody actually loses the right to vote
G2theD
(601 posts)G2theD
(601 posts)FBaggins
(27,441 posts)Article IV Section II
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government"
All that is needed is for some Republican to creatively define that have a Democratic state legislature or Governor is not a Republican form of government.
G2theD
(601 posts)So I dont think that would fly. Unless it went to the current SCOTUS, then all bets are off.
They also have an unabridged right to vote.
I didnt say that it made sense
just that it made as much sense as this nonsense
G2theD
(601 posts)Joinfortmill
(16,259 posts)housecat
(3,137 posts)mjvpi
(1,565 posts)Thank you for posting this. It sounds like our current situation is exactly why this was put into the constitution.
elleng
(135,637 posts)Should be 'fun!'
FBaggins
(27,441 posts)Their primary claim re "if the Census Bureau filly applied the penalty" is tied to state voter registration requirements. Not so much recent republican efforts to change laws.
Essentially that only allowing registered voters to vote (which every state does) denies/abridges the right to vote.
https://www.constitutionalintegrity.org/_files/ugd/867a00_1f0812e6013147c88fd08ec9089bf5cd.pdf
The lawsuit isn't going anywhere.
scipan
(2,612 posts)It says that any laws beyond what is enumerated in the 14th Amendment that restrict the right to vote, like CA's law denying voter registration to people who have been declared insane, etc. would count.
In addition, state laws denying the ability to vote, like WI's voter ID law (which you have to show when you try to vote), some 300k people, would also count.
From your link.