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scipan

(2,636 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 12:04 AM Mar 2024

I suggest voting machines are suspect and there's a good argument for hand counting.

Personally I trust the paper ballots/ electronic counters but anything that marks your ballot for you or worse counts your vote completely electronically is a bad idea.

Former software engineer here.

The whole point is to have checks. The latter 2 don't allow for any.

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scipan

(2,636 posts)
1. Call me paranoid
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 12:08 AM
Mar 2024

but I think it's suspicious that trump hates absentee ballots. He hates that there is a paper ballot, which makes it harder to cheat. Many states recount using them.

usonian

(13,853 posts)
2. Californians are mailed ballots and can return them in the mail or drop off with the clerk or dropbox.
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 12:16 AM
Mar 2024

This time, I used the dropbox inside the county clerk’s office.

It is a “fill in the dots” ballot and I trust the election officials to count them properly.

IMNSHO, having time to go over the choices at home and not drag a cheat-sheet into some polling place is great.

I suppose people still go to polling places. I haven’t for ages.

stopdiggin

(12,831 posts)
3. you can suggest anything you like
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 12:42 AM
Mar 2024

but the fact remains that 'hand counting' ballots - is a solution to a problem that has never been shown to exist. And further, if by some chance did rear it's ugly head at some point in the future - would almost certainly be quickly identified and addressed by election officials.

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
4. K&R, Thank you for posting this....
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 05:47 AM
Mar 2024

...as we all should know, a correct tabulation of the true votes of the people is paramount in a Democracy.

Anything and everything we can do to assure clear and fair elections is a must.

Voltaire2

(14,719 posts)
5. Tabulators and paper are fine.
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 05:51 AM
Mar 2024

I agree the fully computerized systems are unverifiable and untrustworthy.

There is an odd convergence between the Magats and legitimate election integrity people.

LeftInTX

(30,000 posts)
7. No...One small county did it. It took 200 people to count 8,000 ballots. They can't afford to pay all the workers.
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 03:04 PM
Mar 2024

At 4:30 a.m. Wednesday, Gillespie County Republicans completed hand counting more than 8,000 ballots, following through on a decision the county party made months ago amid a statewide push led by individuals who have promoted some of the wildest election conspiracy theories since the 2020 election.


https://www.votebeat.org/texas/2024/03/06/gillespie-county-hand-count-republican-primary-gop/

It took four people three hours to count only 77 ballots.

LiberalFighter

(53,473 posts)
8. It is extremely difficult to count paper ballots that have multiple contests included.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:25 PM
Mar 2024

Difficult in that it takes longer than if it was just a simple candidate A vs B only on the ballot.

LiberalFighter

(53,473 posts)
10. If there was only one position on the ballot it would take less time.
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:01 PM
May 2024

But when there could be ten or more on the ballot it becomes more time-consuming.

LiberalFighter

(53,473 posts)
9. There are checks. They follow protocols in determining which ballots will be hand counted.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:30 PM
Mar 2024

That is they do a hand count to see if results match up with the paper ballots. Same as matching up with electronic results.

And they have election workers from both parties participating.

Call your local county Democratic Party Chair and/or Election Board for details.

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