that it didn't happen again. So to everyone saying we shouldn't discuss the fraud we feared, witnessed, and read about, the fact that it became a widespread topic through us to the media is why it didn't succeed this time. Heads in the sand solve nothing!

Great post. Did not know there are DUers on the list. So proud of them!

from DU who made serious and unflinching contributions to this cause.

But I'll start with you:

It's looking rather frivolous these days. I know that will offend people. I know there are many examples of how serious we can be. It is not the same now. I don't see serious questions being rec'd like they should. The discussion is there, it just isn't being promoted.

Phew, 4 more years to recover from a Bush.

It feels like life during wartime, in retrospect.

Nice to see you here after all these years.

What was that quote, on a sig line here at DU,

"The wheels of the gods grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine..."

I believe now more than ever. Thanks Bleever and DU for helping me through some very dark days here in America.

Peace.

good memory. That was indeed my old sig line.

For all the monumental discouragement and despair we went through, I almost can't believe where we are now.

It feels good, doesn't it?

oh Bleever, you have such a way with words, "monumental discouragement and despair" - that is exactly what it was. It feels great now though! So grateful we made it through those dark times to emerge in brighter days. Back then hoping for a better future was hard to imagine. I appreciate your being there letting your light shine in the darkness.

How are you feeling these days? Btw, your old sig line seems so true now that truth and justice have surfaced again.

Peace be with you Bleever.

to find out that other people were having the same devastating doubts and same kinds of questions. It was definitely a lesson for me in the power and meaning of community.

And I'm feeling pretty good about the old U.S. of A., compared to how it was back then.

Peace and happiness to you!

Sure I remember. I hope you're well. It's nice to believe that the person who gets the most votes can actually win, especially when it's an exceptional guy like Obama.

The blackbox problem persists.

It's time for even more effort to restore real ballots.

I was hopeful at the time that this 2009 ruling would have a strong effect in other countries, namely, here in the US. Here are a few lines from an article about the ruling:

"They reasoned that electronic voting is not verifiable because citizen votes are counted in secret. It is obscured a technology inaccessible to all but a very few initiates. Most importantly, the German high court noted, electronic voting machines don't allow citizens to "reliably examine, when the vote is cast, whether the vote has been recorded in an unadulterated manner" Mar. 3, 2009.

The written opinion effectively bars electronic voting in future elections based on the complexity of voting machines and the inability of voters to watch their vote being counted. This raises the bar of acceptability well above the meaningless solutions offered by "paper trails" for touch screen voting or the so-called "paper ballots" for computerized optical scan voting machines, the most popular form of voting in the United States.

Germany's 2009 Bundestag elections were conducted with hand counted paper ballots."

The reasoning of the justices would apply equally to elections in the US.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0910/S00187.htm

we still have a long way to go. Bleever makes a good point about Ohio and MCM rightly credits all the activists who continue to fight this largely unknown battle. It still saddens me though that tens of millions of US citizens still vote on paperless, electronic voting machines. And I also miss the days on this DU forum after the 2004 election. This was one of the only places you could talk about the election issue and this site, led by its unofficial leader Andy Stephenson, inspired me to get involved in my state of Connecticut. We were days away from getting DREs for the whole state of Connecticut when the group I was part of, TrueVoteCT, held a press conference and we were able to get the state to purchase opscan instead. Here in Connecticut we still have problems in the election process but we do audit the machines and have a paper ballot. Far from perfect but much better than what we almost had.

Odd and suspicious attacks, and it didn't stop them from working and speaking up.

I think at one point, any discussion of election reform was banned from GD due to the inflammatory nature of the discussion.