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Cliff Arnebeck

(305 posts)
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 04:08 PM Mar 2013

How Karl Rove fixed the FBI investigation of his theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio

Karl Rove adopted Stanley Borgia as a protege, as Borgia coordinated the prosecution of the Buffalo Six for terrorism. Rove had Borgia moved to Cincinnati FBI's SAC in December 2004, just in time to scuttle the FBI's investigation of the obvious evidence of vote switching in the Southern District of Ohio.

ABC's Scandal series is revealing a lot about how Karl Rove rigged the 2004 Ohio election, but not this aspect of the cover-up.

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How Karl Rove fixed the FBI investigation of his theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio (Original Post) Cliff Arnebeck Mar 2013 OP
welcome to DU grasswire Mar 2013 #1
Thanks, I reposted this under general discussion when I did not get a rise out of anyone here Cliff Arnebeck Mar 2013 #2
You know I can somehow understand that American public just can not deal with trying Bush*/ Cheney hlthe2b Mar 2013 #3
Yes - the war crimes of bush/cheney are a harsh staggering reality - difficult to contemplate - AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2013 #7
The end of Rove's hay days Cliff Arnebeck Apr 2013 #15
Interesting stuff. I'd like to learn more. Can you point to any sources? Scuba Mar 2013 #4
Sources Cliff Arnebeck Mar 2013 #8
Thank you. Got caught up on your other thread. Welcome to DU Cliff. Scuba Mar 2013 #9
Can you provide a link to the NYTimes article(s)? Wilms Mar 2013 #10
Lackawanna SixTerrorism case Cliff Arnebeck Mar 2013 #12
Thanks, keep it coming. we can do it Mar 2013 #5
Thank you. When the truth is known, we will have done it. Cliff Arnebeck Apr 2013 #13
I keep passing on your news as you post it. Many thanks. we can do it Apr 2013 #18
I don't expect any of those criminals will ever be held accountable. postulater Mar 2013 #6
Special exception for Rove as appropriate target for criminal prosecution! Cliff Arnebeck Apr 2013 #14
Ooooohhh! Rove getting nailed would be soooo sweet. postulater Apr 2013 #17
Recommended. bleever Mar 2013 #11
Thank you! Cliff Arnebeck Apr 2013 #16
President Obama Craig234 Sep 2013 #19

hlthe2b

(106,399 posts)
3. You know I can somehow understand that American public just can not deal with trying Bush*/ Cheney
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 04:27 PM
Mar 2013

for war crimes... Some just can not accept such a horrible fact nor the truth that US officials can be just as corrupt as in some Banana Republics.

But, I can not understand why Rove's many rotten antics continue to be covered up. Whether it be election theft, Siegelman prosecution in Alabama, the Valerie Plame affair and so many other illegal and horrific acts.

Most of DU realized what was assuredly happening in Ohio on election night, if not the exact mechanism. Apparently RETHUGs never pay for their misdeeds.... sigh

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
7. Yes - the war crimes of bush/cheney are a harsh staggering reality - difficult to contemplate -
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:12 PM
Mar 2013

our military men and women, the injured, the dead, the people of Iraq, our Country - And cheney said he'd do it all again, no remorse. They both need to be tried for war crimes.

And Rove... I think he might be vulnerable, and (hopefully) he's made enough enemies that he will be held accountable.

Cliff Arnebeck

(305 posts)
15. The end of Rove's hay days
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:23 AM
Apr 2013

Bush terminated Rove's tenure at the White House, and authorized his pursuit by two special prosecutors. Rove is not featured in the new G.W. Bush library.

Jill Simpson exposed Rove's treacherous OpSec scheme for the 2012 Presidential election before it could even get off the ground. There is more to come. The days of Rove's successful "rotten antics," and "illegal and horrific acts" are certainly numbered, if not yet completely done.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. Interesting stuff. I'd like to learn more. Can you point to any sources?
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 04:34 PM
Mar 2013

A google search didn't find much.

Cliff Arnebeck

(305 posts)
8. Sources
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:48 PM
Mar 2013

Jill Simpson executed an affidavit, testified before the U.S. House Judiciary Cmte, and appeared on 60 Minutes implicating Karl Rove in the instigation of the federal prosecution of Alabama Governor Don Siegelman. As a consequence of this, Rove was asked for his resignation from the White House in August 2007.

On July 20, 2012, on Fox Television's Great Van Susteren's show, Karl Rove falsely attacked Jill Simpson as being behind an attack upon him from President Obama's campaign lawyer Robert Bauer. Thereafter, Simpson researched Rove's operational capabilities for rigging the 2012 election. Her research was reported in two press conferences in late October 2012, which are available at ElectionProtectionAction.org.

The information regarding Stanley Borgia is based upon the NYT's article on the Buffalo Six investigation and his reported career moves following that.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
10. Can you provide a link to the NYTimes article(s)?
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:07 PM
Mar 2013

So far, I'm only finding a link to a Velvet Revolution press conference where you suggest Rove's involvement with moving Borgia back to OH.

Arnebeck – Well let me go back to right after the 2004 election. There was a new agent in charge, placed in Cincinnati with the FBI named Stanley Borgia, his background being the lead investigator in the prosecution of the Buffalo Six. In that capacity and this is reported, he was in regular communication with the White House because of the political value or importance of that prosecution. He was moved after that position to head the Counter Terrorism Operations with the FBI in Washington. In either October or December of 2004, he was moved to be Agent in Charge of the Cincinnati office of the FBI. What I would suggest is that Karl Rove is responsible for the manipulation of the staffing of the FBI in Cincinnati that had jurisdiction over this investigation that was requested right in the aftermath of the election. And all Rove would have to do is say to Borgia, that in this sensitive time, we’re about the battle with terrorists in Fallujah, and we’re about to have elections in Iraq to establish a new constitution. It’s not a good time for the FBI to be dignifying the idea that there’s been some corruption in this election that George Bush stole the election, and he shut it down. We think that’s what happened.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/images/ohio_press_conference.doc

Cliff Arnebeck

(305 posts)
12. Lackawanna SixTerrorism case
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:29 PM
Mar 2013

Here is the link to the article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/12/nyregion/12LACK.html


Here is an excerpt of the article:

News of the Derwish connection reached the Buffalo F.B.I. on May 17, 2002. "Headquarters was calling and telling us that everybody's watching Buffalo," said David Britten, an agent there.

Within weeks, dozens of agents were working Lackawanna. Mr. Needham, Buffalo's one-man terrorism team, had gotten two partners on the case — Mr. Britten and Michael Urbanski, a state police investigator on loan to the F.B.I. The office had formed a terrorism task force of about 25 officers from federal, state and local agencies. Eventually, reinforcements arrived from around the country, in unmarked cars with out-of-state plates. "They stuck out like a sore thumb," said Dennis O'Hara, the Lackawanna police chief.

Investigators obtained secret foreign intelligence warrants to monitor phone and e-mail traffic, according to officials involved in the investigation. Getting a warrant approved is usually achingly slow, but Buffalo's applications flew through.

Headquarters ordered written updates twice a day, at 6 a.m. and 2 p.m. Mr. Mueller was briefed twice daily, the officials said, and he often made Lackawanna part of his daily briefing to President Bush. Stanley Borgia, then second in command in the Buffalo F.B.I., said, "I would look at my watch and say, `8:30. The president is saying to the director, `What's going on in Buffalo?' "

Investigators who a month earlier had been without hard evidence of a serious crime now had their eyes and ears in so many places that the hint of threat appeared almost everywhere.

On a pay phone, they detected what one referred to as "assessment calls" between Mr. Derwish and some suspects. "One of the recruiters was calling, `How are the guys doing?' " said an F.B.I. official. The concern was that Mr. Derwish might activate his recruits. In one call, an official said, a friend of the suspects warned Mr. Derwish that the F.B.I. was watching.

The approach of the Fourth of July in 2002 brought a chorus of terror warnings around the country. In Lackawanna, agents were told that one man named in the anonymous letter might be buying propane tanks, according to two law enforcement officials. They feared a bomb.

Then, just before July 4, an informant told the local police of overhearing talk that men dressed as Arab women might attack a mall with explosives hidden under their clothes. "It was tense, very tense," Chief O'Hara said. "I can tell you one thing, on the Fourth of July, I didn't let my wife or family go to any malls."

But the suspects barely stirred. "They just did their normal routine," said Mr. Borgia. "They just went about their normal lives."

In fact, throughout that summer they mostly went about their normal lives. But with the first anniversary of Sept. 11 approaching, with the case being briefed in Washington twice daily, with orders from the White House on down to prevent any act of terrorism, and with it increasingly clear the men had lied about training with Osama bin Laden, even normal looked suspicious.

Cliff Arnebeck

(305 posts)
13. Thank you. When the truth is known, we will have done it.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:04 AM
Apr 2013

Our posting of this thread on the "General Discussion" forum has now been viewed more than 16,000 times.

The interactive nature of this process has been very helpful to me. Thank all of you in this group and in DU,

Cliff

we can do it

(12,778 posts)
18. I keep passing on your news as you post it. Many thanks.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:06 PM
Apr 2013

We may be getting through to people, even though it's taking time.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
6. I don't expect any of those criminals will ever be held accountable.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:03 PM
Mar 2013

But the least we need is to deny those who would want to steal elections the opportunity to steal them.

Cliff Arnebeck

(305 posts)
14. Special exception for Rove as appropriate target for criminal prosecution!
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:11 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:10 PM - Edit history (1)

The Bush Administration sacked Karl Rove and then unleashed two special prosecutors on him. I believe, in view of that as well as other things, President Obama will make an exception to his general rule of not seeking criminal prosecution of members of the former Administration.

How else do we remedy the grandest election theft yet--the one that is still a secret--the theft of the 2010 elections all over the country?

postulater

(5,075 posts)
17. Ooooohhh! Rove getting nailed would be soooo sweet.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:43 PM
Apr 2013

That would give me more Hope for change than the 2008 Obama victory.

That would be a day for a nice single malt. Probably Laphroig.

bleever

(20,616 posts)
11. Recommended.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:36 AM
Mar 2013

Because it's been a question on my mind as recently as this week.

I look forward to studying this further.

"You all have a good weekend," is what Karl said to the press gathered outside his house, as he put his briefcase in the back seat outside his home, on the way to work.

At least that's my memory at this moment.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
19. President Obama
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:52 PM
Sep 2013

I think a special issue for we Democrats is why 'our' President Obama has not allowed investigations of so many of these issues.

The culture of 'I won't investigate you, you don't investigate me' has seemed to go too far.

And are the Republicans really playing ball anyway the way they investigated and impeched Clinton?

Travesties of Justice happened under Bush, and the people deserve more accountability.

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