... is that it will run (some?) android apps. Given the prevelence of "apps" that run only on apple and android, this might make it worthwhile.

While I'm not sure, the insistence on TPM 2.0 probably means it will be much more resistant to hacking.

But MS is keeping the details a secret. Don't want to give hackers any hints as to how it works, or how to get around it.

Smart move, MS! It just leaves a few questions unanswered to the average/common user, like me.

again....

So true.

...a secret. I believe it is a hardware coprocessor, something like the chips on credit cards. That would have to be produced by the hardware manufacturers for the intel PC architecture in compliance with a public standard. So it seems that the interface and functionality would be well known. Just my speculation.

https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/wp-content/uploads/TPM-2.0-A-Brief-Introduction.pdf

An open access ebook:

https://www.springer.com/us/book/9781430265832

So, it's not a net new feature.

The primary pieces of Windows 11 are the Mac-like UI, TPM piece and the some X-Box pieces brought in.

TPM is supposed to do something similar to what Apple does today which is create a hardware based key store that can not be as easily compromised by hackers.

Are those apps ports done by the app developer? Or the native android app?

It emulates android on windows or mac.

Maybe, as you mentioned, it's turned off in BIOS.

Next time I restart I'll look for the switch.

I am looking forward to W11 myself, esp. if it's free

Then, in windows, run the CMD TPM command and see if it is there.

It should be, should come up as TPM 2.0

Did on mine, anyway, on a 4 year old AB350 motherboard.

I'll try to post here when I get it sorted.

Some don;t include a tpm module, but allow you to add it via one of the oddball pci connectors.

I have a "gamers" motherboard, and it doesn't have tpm 2.0, but I can add it. I haven't priced it out yet.

Well just like the PS5 and Nvidia/AMD video cards, people are now buying TPM 2.0 modules causing a shortage and selling them for 100 dollars. They normally cost about 15 dollars.

https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/tpm-modules-unobtainable-expensive-windows-11

He knows I'll always have a computer issue for him to handle, or questions to answer.

Two recently acquired Dell Inspiron laptops qualify and will go to 11.

Desktops - 4 don't qualify, but being an insider, I will get the chance to download and try 11 anyway.

If no good, they go back to 10.

No tears, no accusations, just . . . get on with sending it out, MS!

....you can get it as an insider but once it's final it may not work properly.

Desktop is several years old and still on W7. Laptop a bit newer, but W10 already takes up about 60% of the RAM. Planned obsolescence?

Link to tweet

I’m not a MS insider
But do Not have security updates only available to me
Or

I cannot find them

I’ve pushed the win11 update forward until
08/11/21
After
That I can pause it again
But
Security updates will still come?
Assistance required

The main thing is to be very careful what you agree to, in Windows Update.

The security updates will say something about Windows Defender (the antimalware protection that Windows has). Those updates are OK.

You are talking about " the win11 update " ? There is no such thing right now. Sorry to be so blunt. You sound like you may be running Windows 10 and you're talking about a Windows 10 update.

Windows 11 will not be offered to the general public until October or November of 2021.

To keep this simple: Do not agree to anything saying Windows 11 when you go to Windows Update. Very simple.

Again, I think you are simply talking about an update to Windows 10, which should be ok. Don't worry about the security updates. Just do not download and install Windows 11 unless you really want it. It will be EASY to avoid.

Please don't worry about the security updates. Just do what you usually do with your computer and just don't download Windows 11 by accident from Windows Update.

... somehow the weather bug just turned up on the tool bar. It's asked me to finish set up, and I keep refusing it. I see no easy way to dump it. It seems like Windows is really after me lately to dump Firefox and DuckDuckGo.

MS just doesn't like to give up, but if there is a reason to update it, I would certainly like to see what it is and what it would take. They finally get 10 squared away, and they bring in a new one.

No thanks to any upheaval until there's no other option.

... trick me into services (like the weather bug) I just do not want.

that does not make anything better.

Too often average users are forced into an update situation where any advantages can only be appreciated by the developer.

....3 years. At first I loved it, but as time went by my computer took longer and longer to boot up (like almost 10 minutes!) and about 3 minutes to shut down. There was one update that totally screwed up my system. I put in a backup system drive and opted out of further updates.

Then in December I got a new computer. I was SHOCKED with the speed. It boots up in about 20 seconds and shuts down even quicker (I should say that I have a SSD system drive).

I'm tempted to go back to the Insider program, but a little nervous about it.

We are testing beta versions of an operating system, so bugs and problems are to be expected. For whatever reason, WIP does not catch all the possible bugs, so some do make it into the final versions and then MS has to scramble and fix those. To save money, MS let most or all of its bug-removal staff go, and so the Windows Insider Program (aside from MS' internal efforts) is the last line of defense before the bugs make it to the general public. Penny wise, pound foolish, to me. It just gives them a black eye publicity-wise every time a major bug crops up that could have been caught with a competent staff.

As far as Windows 11 is concerned, it's very early days. I, personally, have had no problems. Some others probably have, depending on their exact hardware. I am sure there will be many bugs that have to be corrected in the next 3 or 4 months before it gets released to the general public.

I'm willing to cope with the bugs and have had no major problems, really. That's my situation. Everyone else, including yourself, is different, and others may not be willing or able to cope with it. Maybe try it for a while, and quit if it's too frustrating ?

So much for that.

It takes several years to get a Windows release stable on any machine, in my experience. I don't relish the thought of starting all over yet again.

... then Windows Millennium Edition, then ...

I never had any trouble with any of them and other than the "talking paper clip" until 10.0 with the fucking pages of thing they wanted you to buy and making buttons to actually work the program obscured by the marketing of MS aps etc.

Hated it. With a vengeance. I started deleting all the little stores and after a while it started getting easier and quicker.

I'm plenty happy with it now.

This article lists all Dell computers that will be tested for upgrade to Windows 11, and provides helpful links to learn more about the new version of Windows.

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000187485/placeholder-for-new-windows-tested-systems?lwp=rt

Windows 11 is so potentially obnoxious to people that he needed multiple warnings that update was not compulsory.

Outside of a corporate setting (where you have to test new OS versions to the nines), I'm not sure why the choice would be so angsty.

Good question.

To me and other people like me (Windows OS geeks and power users), upgrading to Windows 11 is no big deal. You can either do it or not. Very simple. No anxiety. You upgrade. Or not.

To the rest of DU ? The very first question out of the gate is, Do I have to have this bullshit ? Why is MS forcing this on me ? I've been here almost 17 years, and I know how 99% of DU is on this issue.

You see my answer. Very clearly. If someone misses my answer, they lack reading skills and/or good reading glasses and comprehension.

If I had treated this upgrade as no big deal, THAT... would have been the first question and comment. Now that DU and others know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are not compelled to upgrade, everyone relaxes and either stays with Windows 10 or upgrades.

I know how most of DU feels on this issue. If an "upgrade" to Windows 11 was mandatory, there would have been howls of protest and the entire thread would have been consumed with THAT issue.

I think I've explained my reasoning very thoroughly. It obviously worked.

Maybe it's me.

And I am a Windows Certified Professional.

And that is only my personal boxes.

Don't get me wrong - I am a MS geek through and through - Bill Gates and Windows 'features' have paid my bills since the mid 1990's.

I love M$. Seriously.

The OP is absolutely right, and not just here on DU - 90% of the internet public will complain endlessly about anything MS upgrade related...

...and then go out and buy a brand new Windows PC for their 11 year old daughter. Who is the demographic MS designs the OS to ascetically appeal to.

What with ones of my own and those provided by my employers (and even a few Macs), and I've never had an OS upgrade issue I can remember.

without building or buying a new pc; 3.1 to 95 to 98 to 2000 to 8.0 to 10.0, all required new equipment.

Ran the Health Check and passed every metric EXCEPT the cpu which is not supported!

WTF

An Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz 4.20 GHz

Its about 4 years old.

Microsoft offers to shop for a new PC.

How about they fix this crap.

7th gen Intel and earlier, Ryzen generations before ones starting with a '3', don't have the internal structures to work with Microsoft's new approach to security. So no Windows 11 for you. And a lot of others.

It's not a 'new' approach really, MS has been pushing Intel and AMD to get it right for a few years now.
Hence the successive generations of chips from both.
Intel is now up to 11.
Chip design has moved along since you bought your 7th generation i7.

Not crap, not going to be fixed - stay on 10, or buy new hardware. Your choice.