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I am not aware of any state that is telling men what to do or not to do with their own bodies. - Senator Bernie Sanders (Original Post) ihaveaquestion Jun 2024 OP
Bam, there you have it. K/R appalachiablue Jun 2024 #1
i've told this story b4, but... there was a court case in il mopinko Jun 2024 #2
I can see a scenario where the state would require the mom to get pregnant again erronis Jun 2024 #3
Corpses have more bodily autonomy that we women have! n/t slightlv Jun 2024 #13
Some should be told to shower. Nicely of course. twodogsbarking Jun 2024 #4
Ah, some levity. I laughed out loud at that one. Nice. Thanks. Isn't Bernie great? EarnestPutz Jun 2024 #5
I am a Bernie fan, for sure. twodogsbarking Jun 2024 #6
Coming soon? Marcuse Jun 2024 #7
"And only if white" peppertree Jun 2024 #9
"Life begins at emission" sop Jun 2024 #14
Specifically, Onan was punished because he refused to impregnate his brother's widow as required. Marcuse Jun 2024 #23
Damn, I really feel like I'm missing a lot by not reading the Bible, Old Testament in particular. Who knew? RussellCattle Jun 2024 #28
Every sperm is sacred Major Nikon Jun 2024 #20
And for all the RW guys out there who think "this'll never affect me" - think again: peppertree Jun 2024 #8
Republicans are Nazis -- they want absolute control to indoctrinate or eliminate. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #34
If I say "my body my choice".... hauckeye Jun 2024 #10
True. That was their go-to canard exactly - including against masks. peppertree Jun 2024 #11
By not getting vaccinated they are actively endangering other people. Biophilic Jun 2024 #12
Ah... but there you hit the main problem! slightlv Jun 2024 #16
I agree completely. Unfortunately. Nt Biophilic Jun 2024 #22
Also, no one ever HAD to get vaccinated. LisaM Jun 2024 #35
K&R big time! llmart Jun 2024 #15
DEAD people have more rights than a living female in many states. OMGWTF Jun 2024 #17
thought I saw a post on some state banning circumcision Model35mech Jun 2024 #18
All it takes is a simple google search to debunk that one. nt TBF Jun 2024 #19
I suppose. I should be the 1 in 5000 that googles every trivial fact Model35mech Jun 2024 #21
A "fact" would be something that is true - your statement was misinformation. nt TBF Jun 2024 #24
It was debunked right there in the DU thread you saw it in. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #29
And yet there will be men that will try to obsure the issue however possible. TBF Jun 2024 #25
Men would never tolerate being controlled in this way. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #26
Exactly! OldBaldy1701E Jun 2024 #32
K and fucking R Blue Owl Jun 2024 #27
states have been telling gay men what they can do with their bodies for centures, Berne.. wake up nt msongs Jun 2024 #30
While true, not the point. intheflow Jun 2024 #31
And the airwaves are being carpet bombed with "generic viagra" ads. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #33

mopinko

(71,597 posts)
2. i've told this story b4, but... there was a court case in il
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 12:50 PM
Jun 2024

a kid needed a transplant. bone marrow, iirc. def something a live donor cd do.
the parents were divorced. mom was not a match. relatives were not a match. mom asked dad to just b tested. tested. he said no. she took him to court AND LOST.

so, yeah, courts NEVER tell men what to do w their bodies.

erronis

(16,744 posts)
3. I can see a scenario where the state would require the mom to get pregnant again
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 01:00 PM
Jun 2024

just to see if the new child might be a good donor.

It's a Strange New World. And no more advanced than the middle-ages.

peppertree

(22,842 posts)
9. "And only if white"
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 01:42 PM
Jun 2024

"We don't want the wrong babies - isn't that right, Eloise."

"Well - a few for the chores. And the wars - can't forget those."

sop

(11,078 posts)
14. "Life begins at emission"
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 02:34 PM
Jun 2024

The Bible says God killed Onan for spilling his seed on the ground.

Marcuse

(7,980 posts)
23. Specifically, Onan was punished because he refused to impregnate his brother's widow as required.
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 04:13 PM
Jun 2024

RussellCattle

(1,737 posts)
28. Damn, I really feel like I'm missing a lot by not reading the Bible, Old Testament in particular. Who knew?
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 06:22 PM
Jun 2024

peppertree

(22,842 posts)
8. And for all the RW guys out there who think "this'll never affect me" - think again:
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 01:40 PM
Jun 2024

For one - as Republicans know so well - it's often men who want the abortion (medical need aside). But there's more to this than denying women safe and legal abortions:

Texas, for instance, basically outlawed porn - which (need I say more) mostly affects men.

Because Republicans are not just obsessed with controlling women: their goal is nothing short of limiting sexuality, as much as possible, to the exclusive enjoyment of the connected (and of those with their blessing).

Medieval cardinals understood that - and the power that gives you over others.

hauckeye

(719 posts)
10. If I say "my body my choice"....
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 01:48 PM
Jun 2024

How do I answer someone who disagrees with vaccine mandates? I can imagine that happening

peppertree

(22,842 posts)
11. True. That was their go-to canard exactly - including against masks.
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 01:54 PM
Jun 2024

And when you told them that they could spread a possibly fatal respiratory illness to someone - including a loved one - they basically said "so what?"

"My mom's a bossy old bat anyway."

Biophilic

(4,615 posts)
12. By not getting vaccinated they are actively endangering other people.
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jun 2024

A bit different than a personal choice or need that impacts only them.
I still remember polio and how frightening it was and how restrictive the fear was. The vaccine and people’s willingness to get vaccinated changed that. It was a commitment to the larger community.

slightlv

(4,225 posts)
16. Ah... but there you hit the main problem!
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 02:40 PM
Jun 2024

RWNJ's don't have any commitment to the larger community, nor do they desire to have one, IMO. In fact, they see that as a negative, ala Ayn Rand. A commitment to the larger community demands they act responsibly, take responsibility in all circumstances seriously, and practice empathy. All things at least the larger Magat community cannot achieve, and deem to be a societal evil, rather than a societal good.

I swear all these people are stuck in their early teens, at the very least. They've never made that growth from self-involved, egoistic me-me-me selfishness, to adulthood and all the emotional maturity that should entail. They find validation within the writings and thoughts of Ayn Rand and those who emulate her, like Elon Musk. Until they can move past that mental phase they're stuck in, they'll never be productive, useful members of society. JMO.

LisaM

(28,456 posts)
35. Also, no one ever HAD to get vaccinated.
Mon Jun 17, 2024, 12:30 PM
Jun 2024

It was a condition for some public spaces and yes, for some jobs. But people could usually find an acceptable exemption if they really had deeply held beliefs (not this pop science going around), and they could choose not to go to the places that required vaccines or masks.

OMGWTF

(4,390 posts)
17. DEAD people have more rights than a living female in many states.
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 02:46 PM
Jun 2024

You have to give prior written consent before someone can use your body parts after you're dead.

 

Model35mech

(2,047 posts)
21. I suppose. I should be the 1 in 5000 that googles every trivial fact
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 03:08 PM
Jun 2024

rather than letting things fall into the conversation and be fixed without diktat

emulatorloo

(45,528 posts)
29. It was debunked right there in the DU thread you saw it in.
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 06:25 PM
Jun 2024

No need to google, DU’ers did all the hard work 😀

TBF

(34,022 posts)
25. And yet there will be men that will try to obsure the issue however possible.
Sun Jun 16, 2024, 06:05 PM
Jun 2024

Thank you Bernie for being a mensch rather than a putz.

intheflow

(28,840 posts)
31. While true, not the point.
Mon Jun 17, 2024, 06:51 AM
Jun 2024

Gay men still have the right to bodily autonomy. They’ll never get pregnant and have their body hijacked for 9 months, they won’t be stopped from leaving their state for healthcare or any other reason. Saying this in the abortion climate is basically the same as saying All Lives Matter in response to people talking about Black Lives Matter. Gay men are men who are still privileged over women.

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