Could I made it any plainer Cha?

BOG

PS I just finished listening to your Video~ coming there to comment now!

like to sneak around where they aren't authorized to do so.

Yup you are right, Cha!

I've got to tell you the shit is getting really old, especially now that it seems like even the left wants to criticize him for not sneezing the way they would expect.

Yes!

I haven't seen that but with the crap I've been reading I wouldn't be surprised.

Yikes! We fell down the rabbit hole!



freshwest~

Which was agreed with! And the usual Infowars stuff. Plus two OPs citing World Nut Daily. One was hidden.

A vitriolic post slandering Kerry's Vietnam service, not even in the hate Kerry OP. All rec'd and cheered.

Yup, very knee jerk and thoughtless Also to poison the waters in advance, if anyone doesn't agree, they are nowm instead of authoritarian, fascist, etc. a new word.

The new insult du jour: 'reactionary.'

That's why I'm grateful for this group, and don't care about the forums now. A person's IQ drops there.

It's so 'reactionary,' LOL!

Well I hope they are proud of themselves. I will have to find them, or maybe not.

have to like it. Syria is a war for oil. Look at the front page and read the stories. I think criticizing him when we feel he's wrong is American. Not criticizing him because of hero worship or whatever isn't. Honestly, I am sick of being told to march in step. Pugs do that. Not me. I remember when being a dem meant thinking for yourself and saying what you thought. But then, too many on this board only know Reagan and Clinton, the bushes and the like as politicians. Remembering that being dem meant speaking up appears to be forgotten. I am glad I'm old. I would hate to live in a scripted society forever.

I was upset when a 69 year old man, was adjectived in the news, as being a senior citizen. Hell, I'm 69 and don't consider myself a senior citizen.

among us treated like we become senile with age rather than someone who might have something to say about things from a longer perspective than the youngers among us.

March in your step, either.

This is the Barack Obama Group and we support the President. There's so many other places you can talk about our "hero worship".. just not here, not anymore.

You have all the rest of the website to gripe, but you want to shit in our support group. Does that make you on a higher plane? Hardly.

with someone else.

I am a proud President Obama supporter, and don't post much in BOG (or GD of late), but will chime in unless it's news about Dems.


On edit, I was responding to freshwest's comment about nutcases like Palin, etc being used to trash honorable Dems. Wanted to use the word "disgusting", but "poisonous" came to mind because smear tactics are poisonous. If that clears things up.

Because when ambiguity enters the picture, you can count on being misread by at least someone. My reaction wasn't against the adjective you used, rather your apparent choice of target, Fresh. If you meant to slam Palin etc, why by all means, get it on. I can back that.

Unintended ambiguity is a pit I've always managed to avoid. And if I can possibly convince you of that, next comes a lovely bridge in NYC I'd be willing to sell cheap.

I wasn't targeting freshwest. He/she knows me as a DUer.. I was agreeing with him/her, and slamming Palin. I not getting what's the deal here.


Probably will be in lurk mode when these crises are over. Emotions are running high now and everyone is on edge.


For the record, I am good DUer that supports PB Obama, I support Dems and hope they succeed.


Peace to you.

I understand your focus now. I'm simply trying to explain that written communication requires extra care not to be accidentally ambiguous, because that can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings. I hope you can accept my explanation just as I've accepted yours.

And I wasn't joking. Everyone's at risk of doing this. Myself included. We need to compose our words with the eyes of a stranger in mind, since many readers won't have the past association required to automatically know what we mean. Whether it happens to be the writer or reader(s) or both, I'm simply advising care, that's all. Please don't let this occasion discourage you from posting. We'd both lose if you did.

And the reminder. Should have made that post longer, but it's all good.

I will be around. Peace right back to you.

You all do good work in the BOG group too.

to people defending/supporting sarah palin for me to believe that one.

bad if there was discussion on a more thoughtful level without pure condemnation.

you are right.

If I wanted to hear a lot of grunts and squeals, I'd go and watch pig wrestliing.

It is NOT discussion, there is nothing to be learned from fact free, incendiary, calling the pack to the kill threads and posts.

It's the RW echo chamber complete with the same memees at Freeperville. It's all 'yuh, bubba, we got 'em now, uh, huh, yup!'

And all they have is the sand in their hands falling through their fingers.

President Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party and we need his cool responses to situations which would rattle others. I agree with you, why don't we have more post about the success with the car companies. Ford is now bring lines back to the US, he has worked towards getting the financial world back on track. The repeal of Glass Stegall Act allowed lots of corruption in the financial world. Promote his positive moves such as locating bin Laden and took action. He did not take his eye off the ball.

Thanks again for your post, I hunger for more.

I would love to K&R your post!

GOTV 2014!

Robert Brustein.Playwright, director, actor, educator, theater founder

My computer does that a lot to....so I 'll give you this bit about Burstein. You only missed one paragraph at the link.

Robert Brustein is a veteran of World War II, a former Professor of English at Harvard University, former drama critic for The New Republic and former Dean of the Yale Drama School. He is now a Distinguished Scholar in Residence at Suffolk University.

He was the founding director of the Yale Repertory Theatre and the American Repertory Theatre and served for 20 years as Artistic Director during which time he founded the ART Institute for Advanced Theatre Training at Harvard. Having retired from that post in 2002, he now serves as Founding Director. He is the author of eighteen books (including The Theatre of Revolt), twelve adaptations (Including the Klezmer musical Shlemiel The First), and eight plays (including a trilogy about Shakespeare). He is presently working on a new Klezmer musical with Hankus Netsky called King of the Schnorrers. His latest book is Rants and Raves: Opinions, Tributes, and Elegies; and his most recent play is The Last Will. He has been inducted into the Theatre Hall of Fame, and was awarded the 2010 Medal of Arts by President Obama at the White House.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-brustein/

I do love the pulpiteers line! Sweet was it not!

Cha

Thanks she!

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This whole thread is a relief from the poison elsewhere.

BOG

"Yes, they did it themselves from both sides, seeing what it was. He laid it out for them to choose. He didn't, like the wise man, need to prove his point. The goal is to make life better all, not a victory for half the people"

What is the problem?

I just wanted you to know it was a BOG post.

I thank you for respecting that Bonobo.

I actually didn't even mean to post here. I navigated via the Greatest Page and didn't realize where it was, so I appreciate you informing me in fact.

Thanks.

I'm outta here. Sorry for the intrusion.

They don't do that sort of thing around here. Here it's only pom poms and flagwaving.

No, actually I will.

Pretzel "warrior".

Yours was clearly intended as flame bait in a clearly marked thread from Barack Obama Group.

I drink your sweet tears of frustration.

A disruptor.

You made it personal. I have no problem with this group and have NEVER disrupted here.

But now, to me, your tears are sweet.

You just had to come back. Not enough places for you to post you snark.

Guess what, the BOG says goodbye.

LOL~ "I drink your sweet tears of frustration."

Just an excuse to be negative. 60 years ago, get over it.

But the author meant it as Leave Britney Alone thing.

That is all

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Take your comments elsewhere please. Fair warning.

You literally cannot take a joke.

As a username is going to show the BOG who's boss.

that's what you want, right? A bubble, protected from "outsiders"?

BOG shit ends up on the greatest page, the latest page, and the home page. While on DU, you will attract readers and posters who are not a part of your clique. Deal with it.

If you can't deal with plurality of opinion, either use the tools available here or go start your own website elsewhere.

And none of your business. We give WARNINGS before we block people. Not threats. WARNINGS. So they know, just. In case they wandered in by mistake. But YOU didn't wander in by mistake. YOU came in to stick your nose in where it dies not belong. KNOWINGLY.

have a fucking clue how DU works? We can only block people. We can alert on posts, sure. And because of people who hate the BOG half the time the offensive posts remain.

Take your own fucking advice. Use the tools available to YOU. If you are so offended by BOG posts or anything positive about the President, TRASH THIS GROUP. You have that power. You'll never see us again. And we will never see you. Without having to BLOCK you.

As I will do if continue this disruptive conversation.

I'll get blocked from the BOG, ooh whatever will I do? Wake me when it's over ...

As long as I have a voice here, I will say whatever I damn well please. The responsibility is on YOU. Do whatever the rules allow you to do.

Juvenile pretense you have there.

"We Hate Obama" website.

show me.

Specific to the group?

of blocking an intruder whose only contribution is to distrupt.

And, ya disrupted poorly.

superpowers back. With only a slight delay. Thank you for taking care of that.

Welcome Back, honey!

You're also free to trash this entire group so you don't have to see it.

I see my neighbors' homes, too, but I don't go stomping in there unwanted to crap in their living room. Surely you could show at least that much class.

Brava!

Most Amercicans can see he's doing an excellent job as president.

Actually, you'd have to read the OP to know what the writer is saying.. but, it seems you're too busy snickering your head off. Your loss.

I worked for Barack Obama's election. I gave more money to his campaign than I really had any business giving. I cheered with the crowds in Washington D. C. on the night his election was announced.

No one has the right to tell me I should stop criticizing President Obama. He is about to make a huge mistake. If there is any way I can help to stop him from making that mistake, no one has the right to tell me I should not!

We don't kiss ass or worship the president, but if you want to criticize, your reservation is in GD.

Go play there.

You have the final say about things here, right?

"criticizing" the President. It's about the ugly ad hominem attacks by fucking republicons.

And, many of us campaigned and helped elect PBO and we're damn glad he's where he is right now.

You married your spouse, does that give you the right to criticize them?

Do you ever say anything good? Or is it all fault finding?

???

Yes, criticize anyone you wish - but not the President in a group organized to support his policies. You don't think you're going to change our minds, do you? We'll read any worthwhile posts you make elsewhere. But neither you nor anyone else has the right to disrupt a support group. Would you join the Westboro Baptists in their harrassment at inappropriate times and occasions? I think better of you.

I am so happy to read this article -- I don't know what people, right and left, expect from this president -- except maybe that he be superhuman.
I agree that he will be remembered in history for many accomplishments, but generally as a president among the great ones, a decent, intelligent, compassionate man.

Welcome to DU~

Every single morning and afternoon, the commentators are relentless in their bias and anti-Obama attacks. I couldn't discern whether I was watching CNN or Faux.

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It's also a plea to have some rich, slick and even personable person with power take care of all one's issues instantly. Real life doesn't work that way. These shows are merely entertainment, a diversion from going to the local level and finding out how things really work.

I see ridiculous bravado demanded from PBO and Demcrats that never work IRL, so I'm not buying the keyboard warrior bullying. It only shows they don't have what it takes.

Understand that the more deeply you hold your ideals, the more you are morally obligated to be pragmatic...

Idealism without pragmatism is just a way to flatter your ego.

~ Barney Frank

When I was less experienced, I hated the words pragmatism and compromise. I thought in the same childish terms I see bandied about here so proudly like 'sell out' and 'principles' etc.

Then my education in real life began, seeing I had to give a little or a lot, to keep people alive and well and that it was not about me winning anything. I lost a lot in my personal life, but I saw it as my duty. Nor was I paid.

Take the focus off oneself, keep one's eye on the prize, what is really worth fighting for such as life and healing, making it happen in whatever way WORKS, is what one has to do with their whole heart. If one cannot love others, one will not stay the course, despite the many arrows shot at one, the prize is lost.

It is wounding, but the bruises meet nothing in comparison to the goal. Someone's life was saved. Those who demand victory fast and without compromise, never learn to question themselves in face of well paid, well organized opposition.

As the saying goes, we learn much more about ourselves from our enemies than our friends. One most draw from one's depths to do what Obama and many Democrats I know have done for others. It defines who one truly is, teaches one's own shortcomings and strengths.

It is not sign of weakness, cowardice or selling out to get what you can to keep people alive. Those who are shallow think of pride and demand they get their way. THEIR way. That is not the prize, it is EGO.

I like the song by Garth Brooks, Shameless. It's a romantic song but it applies to other things in life. Love makes one bear the shame some will cast to scare one off and win, even if it's unjust. And it often is. Be shameless in doing what is right, let them slander and accuse. One just does the right thing, because one has to live with oneself.

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.

~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

See you later...

attack against the President on this site. Strong criticism of policy or lack of it is not a personal attack. Currently, the President has declared a unilateral right to attack a sovereign nation that poses no threat to the United States, without the consent of Congress, the UN, our allies or the will of the American people. Such an act is without precedent, is illegal, and rises to the level of an impeachable offense should it be implemented. That is not a personal attack. It is a statement of fact.

like a tool of Wall Street. Those who call him that say they aren't making a personal attack.

republicons.

And, since this is the Barack Obama Group which it clearly states in the OP.. you'll be taking your impeachment talk elsewhere.

when they start banning you and your ilk from this group

And one that does not consider both sides of the issue.

And there have been ad hominem attacks.