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madamesilverspurs

(16,051 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:53 PM Aug 2013

The more things change. . .

We seem to be plagued by short memories around here.

Somehow many of us have managed to forget that our current president did not don a flight suit and land on an aircraft carrier to declare "mission accomplished" in a war that should never have been waged.

Somehow many of us have managed to forget that Osama bin Laden was finally dealt with by this current president, just as many have forgotten that Libya did not turn out, in spite of their fiery prognostications otherwise, to be another Iraq.

Too damned many, who not so long ago railed against the shoot-from-the-hip-bring-it-on mentality of George Bush, now look at a president who has a solid reputation for not behaving in such fashion and accuse him of doing exactly that anyway.

Today, President Obama is caught in the swirling mess that is Syria. People here are either castigating him as an unprincipled warmonger or a cold-hearted bastard willing to let innocents die in order to preserve his own legacy. People who damned well should know better are laying at his feet the threat of crumbling national credibility.

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Somewhere in my files there’s a letter from a member of Jimmy Carter’s White House staff. It’s a simple note thanking me for writing, and letting me know that the President appreciated the kind words.

This was long before the internet and I didn’t own a typewriter, so my letter to President Carter had been written longhand on lined notebook paper. I’d written to express my thoughts following the helicopter crash in the failed attempt to rescue the American hostages in Iran.

The news was full of sound bytes from outraged politicos who were loudly rebuking the President for the episode and pretty much blaming him for everything under the sun. So, I began my letter by introducing myself as a Republican who had not voted for him (true at that time). Then I told him how disgusted I was by all those politicians who were using the tragedy of the failed rescue as an excuse to berate him, that it was my opinion that, had the rescue succeeded, they would have made just as much noise trying to claim the credit.


Today I've been thinking about that long-ago correspondence. And I'm thinking that, had DU been around at the time, there would have been those determined, under many guises, to be relentlessly vicious toward Jimmy Carter.

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The more things change. . . (Original Post) madamesilverspurs Aug 2013 OP
Errors in judgement.... demsin06 Aug 2013 #1
"Relentlessly vicious" -- I believe you are right Hekate Aug 2013 #2
Thanks madame! Cha Aug 2013 #3
Thank you MSS! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #4
Thank you, madamesilverspurs, for putting this situation in the proper context. Kath1 Aug 2013 #5
I don't see how attempting to save American hostages can be compared to bombing a country Snake Plissken Aug 2013 #6
You've wandered into the Cha Sep 2013 #8
Great OP as always. Sorry I'm late catching up. IrishAyes Sep 2013 #7

Hekate

(94,726 posts)
2. "Relentlessly vicious" -- I believe you are right
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:10 PM
Aug 2013
Today I've been thinking about that long-ago correspondence. And I'm thinking that, had DU been around at the time, there would have been those determined, under many guises, to be relentlessly vicious toward Jimmy Carter.

They think Jimmy Carter walks on water now, but he was much reviled on all sides at the time -- and, for those who think primarying a sitting president is a smart idea -- he was primaried when he ran for a second term.

There's a lot of lazy, dishonest thinking here, I am sorry to say.

Cha

(305,447 posts)
3. Thanks madame!
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:29 PM
Aug 2013

"The news was full of sound bytes from outraged politicos who were loudly rebuking the President for the episode and pretty much blaming him for everything under the sun. So, I began my letter by introducing myself as a Republican who had not voted for him (true at that time). Then I told him how disgusted I was by all those politicians who were using the tragedy of the failed rescue as an excuse to berate him.."

And, thank you for writing Pres Carter all those years ago. You were always an activist!

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
5. Thank you, madamesilverspurs, for putting this situation in the proper context.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:59 PM
Aug 2013

It amazes me that many of the same people who totally supported Bush's "pre-emptive" wars based on lies are now criticizing Obama as a warmonger before a shot has been fired. And others who deplored the Bush approach are rushing to condemn him although his record is one of peace. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I was about 20 at the time of the failed hostage rescue and was sickened by the criticism of President Carter.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
6. I don't see how attempting to save American hostages can be compared to bombing a country
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:15 PM
Aug 2013

I don't see how attempting to save American hostages can be compared to bombing a country with nothing but Chalabi-esque evidence.


If this was about rescuing Americans I'd have no problem with it, but this is nothing but another War for Cheese in the Middle East being shoved down our throats. I wouldn't be surprised if this was nothing but a compromise with the cons to get them to raise the debt ceiling without shutting down the government.

Cha

(305,447 posts)
8. You've wandered into the
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:02 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:13 AM - Edit history (1)

wrong place. This is the Barack Obama Group.

President Obama made his case about why he wants to hold assad accountable.

This isn't the place for insulting the President with wild speculations.

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