toward fellow democrats because obama was able to choose a solution that would not vilify him with the majority of his supposed supporters. i truly am flabbergasted by the reactions i am seeing today. totally surprised.

Are pretty much the same.

understanding action/reaction. listening, thinking, understanding and moving forward. i think this is what happens. people look at the beginning as a now with no shifting and they stake a position. in staking the position they make themselves vulnerable to shifting situations. new info. new realities. and the anger at still arguing the first moments when the end is totally different from what they were arguing.

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one of my confusing woo woo thoughts. but, it works for me in understanding.

periodically i still jump the gun, and too often get pie in the face, so i have learned to not come to any unmovable position while things are still happening.

It's one thing to express your support for a particular viewpoint, but the stronger you put it out there, the harder it is to see contrary facts that may arise. I think it literally impacts the ability of our brains to perceive evidence to the contrary.

is to leap to an early conclusion and then cling to it long past the time when it has become obvious to everyone else that it is wrong.

I try to stay out of the corner, not because I don't have an opinion, but because opinions on DU are so often punished.

I have nobody on ignore because I respect opinions counter to mine. I am not always correct on things, but I try very diligently to get it right.

But personal attacks, stalking, baiting thread titles, and other rubbish ruins rational discussion. So I am staying in the corner on many issues because I have no intentions of enabling those who act so poorly here.

I try to remain polite and often thank people who take the trouble to respond, even when I disagree.

That's how to make DU a better place.

Way to go, Seabeyond.

I do the same thing- people are too quick to jump to conclusions. Another thing, Obama' behavior was so out of character that I knew there was something else going on.

Not only support, which I do; but like, is his ability to is piss off the left and the right to the point I can't tell the difference between the two with vitriol that's spewed. It's actually a talking point I use this to piss off family right wingers--"hey he pisses off the left too"--shuts them right up

I'm one of those who doesn't agree with everything, think all sane presidents (dubya's sanity is a iffy proposition--he needed any criticism he could get) need healthy criticism and far too much of what we've seen lately isn't healthy, or constructive, or true.

I'm like you, I started researching Syria, had a "oh shit" moment and understood the situation was very complex. I'm very glad bombs aren't falling and we seem to have reached a diplomatic solution-- that was the best possible outcome given the current facts as I understand them

It would be sad if the situation wasn't so serious.

very real, valid point.

i think people did not do a lot of listening to each other, and was more a battle. but, we have a solution that should appease both sides. no bombing and retribution for chemical weapon use. we should all be thrilled that obama and others were able to get to this place.

that we may avoid a very nasty situation.

I really appreciate it, especially after having been called an Al Qaeda fan for supporting Obama.

But it was obvious to me from the start that this was a real game of chicken, in game theory terms. Brinkmanship, if you will, on a small scale since Syria isn't a nuclear power. But its backer is. That means Russia had to be stared down. We still don't know if it has worked. PBO still has to look as if he will strike if they don't cooperate. Although he can tone it down a smidgen, he still has to be the wild card in this game.

And we don't know what Russia has promised to Syria in return for giving up those CW. Or if they have cooked up a way to hide some. Perhaps a Nobel Prize is all Putin wants. Somehow I'm skeptical.

I never thought PBO wanted to go to war, but a good negotiator always has some chips to negotiate with.

Not only is he doing good but he's doing the right thing. He knows as well as I and many of us know and that is any thing he is for they are against. Hell I seen that early on.

And you are IN!



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thanks.
I see this man working his butt off for us each and every day, day in and day out. What I like about him the most is he works just as hard for the people who don't support him as he does those of us who do. I don't think we've ever had a better person than President Obama in the oval office. History will reflect that too.

I just saw the news!

Its nice to be with kindred spirits.

Old slogan: When you're right, pound the facts. When you're wrong, pound the table.

... that is all.

That video:

"you'll probably end up in a refugee camp, but it'll have free wi-fi."

Has John Kerry Had Some Plastic Surgery Or Botox Treatments To His Face?.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023588479

Neo-DU is so damn ugly.

Obama did good, as always.

To see the progressive agenda potentially undone by progressives has been a nightmare. Some of the more blatantly expletive laden posts have also turned me off to many here in DU. At least I know who keeps their heads.

gave the order to get bin laden. He didn't deserve any credit but if it had gone wrong then everyone could jump down his throat like sharks on a feeding frenzy.

See how that works.

I posted this reply: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3638687

Then he posted this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023638905#op

Don't get me wrong, I love William Rivers Pitt as much as the next DU member...

But not so much as a simple attribution!!!

DU Meta is BACK!!!

saying "Obama didn't kill bin Laden. Seal Team Six did."

Right; as if Seal Team Six roams the world, choosing its own targets, operating with no control or support... Talk about whining!

and command from the CIC. Bam.

Is hell about to freeze over?

Usually I'm such a hard read, right?

I'm getting a good laugh out of GD.

ProSense's response!

I just love Prosense - ALL of Pro's response!

But the "unLoyal Opposition" is so overt and unAmerican, that their ulcers will make my day.

to put the fear into Assad even if he was scaring the hell out of me at the same time.

I was hoping the Russians were working overtime to prevent war. Nobody with any sense at all wants war and it doesn't matter how limited it is, it always sets the stage for the next war.

So yes, I give props to Obama for carrying that big stick. It made Putin's carrot look a lot tastier.

And I have no doubt that he'd have used it if Congress could be brought around to vote for using it.

which was the general idea (he scared me too.) Giving Putin so much credit, also part of the agreement.

This is a good day for Americans and a very good day for Democrats.

But President Obama hasn't made such a point of the fact that he doesn't absolutely require congressional approval because he wouldn't move w/o it. He wanted them to know he would if necessary in the end.

Though I do believe he's sincere about reducing some presidential perogatives.

by WillPitt about you?

This just one of the reason I voted for you twice!

Why? Because I trust Obama and always tend to give him enough space to carry out his duties HIS way.

His mind works differently than most of us and I find it a major process to try to figure him out. The only thing I can come up with is that he is always a ton of steps ahead of the rest of us. Of course, he has different information to work with than we do, so he has the advantage, but he is sharp as hell and does that Obama dance none of us have learned...including our enemies and the Republican party.

Go, Obama! Got your back!

with articles that based on fact. Poster posted in kind and there was not too much vitriol towards each other nor towards Pres O or any other Dems. Poster were truly concerned about what was happening in Amercia and around the world. That part seems to have disappeared and I find myself viewing non-stop RW crap spewed by these posters.

President Obama will be speaking this evening. Rand Paul will follow as a rebuttal and I cringe. His followers will truly trash Pres O again, no doubt on that.

.... when you say it about EVERY. THING. HE. DOES. OR. SAYS. EVER.

"The President wants _X_? Then we are against _X_ because _X_ is stupid, dangerous, and wrong for America!"

"Wait, what? You mean he really wanted _Y_ after all? Then we are against _Y_ because _Y_ is stupid, dangerous, and wrong for America! (And so is his obvious flip-flopping!)"

That's why the right has zilch credibility except among its most ardent sycophants.

The right is, generally, bereft of ideas and is merely self-absorbed in its radical knee-jerk reactionary posturing. Their entire national policy position is: 1) Wait and see what Obama seems to want to do, and b) oppose it. Nothing pro-active about the GOP at all.

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revelations pretty much parrot right wing talking points...

I don't want to believe that some of the most popular posters on DU are really wingers, but the evidence seems to point that way...

Then they'll go and post something truly progressive that I can fully support... I'm starting to think the left/right scale is really a circle.

He's not stupid, and he's not greedy, and he's not bloodthirsty.

Eff the DUers who screeched that he was.

Or Cheney, ewwww.