i think that person mostly seeks attention. there have been many times where they claimed something would happen and ended up being wrong and they move on to something else to complain about.

and difference between HIDE and LEAVE is just one vote. Not a biggie. Don't trouble yourself about it.

IMO, the teams of DU2 moderators I worked with wouldn't have voted to hide your reply, though some might have voted that way.

Juries are altogether different that same reply in the same context could just have easily been left, and I'm surprised it wasn't.

From the juries I've been on and the voting results I've seen, your reply is mild, much worse has been allowed to stand.

It's the difference between "You crazies..." and "YOU, sir."

See?

--imm

Is a distraction.

I think the rest of the pack got it totally wrong, but there's no court of appeal.

That poster likes to provoke people--so he shouldn't be surprised if people are provoked by his comments, and I think the person who alerted on it should come forward and explain that alert.

It sure sounds like some jurors think calling people names in the subject line of an OP is just dandy, but taking offense to that isn't--and that's just not fair, IMO, and I like fairness.

It's not nice to -- in blanket fashion -- call people "crazies."

Waah, you don't agree with me, ergo, you're nutzo!!!


That's really not very nice at all. Tsk, tsk....


Of course, the admins know who alerted on you, they know who voted HIDE and LEAVE, and if there was a lot of irony in the alert, well, that will be part of their "permanent record" here, such as it is.

Alerters and jurors aren't a secret to the admins. We're anonymous to each other, but not to them. They know who's playing games.

There are two different 'over the top' types of comments here - whether they come from an Obama supporter or a Barack Obama Group member, or whether they come from the anti Obama group. The standards are very, very different. The anti Obama group has much wider leeway to spout whatever trash they like, compared.

There has been a group here for quite some time that can find no good in anything Obama does. They have taken enough of a foothold here with their regular doses of hysteria against the President and get away with some absolutely vile posts and comments and that allows in the Sneakers who hail from who knows where, knowing they are safe to bring their garbage from RW and bagger types here now. The established, high post members were instrumental in allowing those kinds here and therefore the jury system is far weighed toward keeping those types safe, and we, we have to 'be careful what we say'.

it is just which jurors you get - whether they like him/you or not.

Thus what gets hidden is all over the map and what gets left is all over the map.

I agree the poster in question is just - well I don't want this hidden. But most of his posts are incredibly bitter. And usually pitting Democrats against each other, or denigrating the President by comparing him to other supposedly better Democrats.

to be guided by - and there isn't one.

What gets hidden or left standing on DU is simply a matter of which jurors you draw. It has nothing to do with 'community standards', or even being governed by the TOS.

For the most part, jurors will vote to hide a post whose content they politically disagree with, or because they dislike the poster. Usually both.

It has nothing to do with whether the post is, in and of itself, offensive or over-the-top. What one jury leaves standing, another jury hides, even though the posts in question are virtually identical.

So don't concern yourself with "doing better in the future". It won't matter either way.

i agree with you. i don't believe i would have posted such - written it, and thought it, yes, but such a level of truthiness is not my personal m.o. i don't believe you were rude compared to the nastiness some of the anti-obama folks have posted to other bog or obama supporters/defenders.

He's been on my ignore list for quite a while. You were NOT over the top or out of line. Period. You just told the truth. You can sleep tonight in peace since you were right. He must toss and turn. I feel for his family (if he has one).

it is now becoming a discussion on a particular poster rather than a question of what should be a standard for discourse.

There are those at DU who have taken the Republican strategy that there is more with less, strength in division. They post exaggerating divisions and think that DU gains strength as it becomes more visceral, more intolerant and also when its ranking of websites in the US continues to steadily decline.

My suggestion is to simply avoid them.

They have no impact beyond DU and a marginal one here.

Work on building solidarity, concentrate on the issues and avoid the threads that continue to make the poster the center of attention have a sad pathos to them.

As the thread has gone way off of the subject of supporting the President and his policies, locking.

Thanks for your understanding.