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steve2470

(37,468 posts)
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:49 AM Mar 2014

If President Obama had his way, single payer would be law today

I firmly believe that. I really think he has a good heart and truly cares for the American people. ACA was the best we could get with the a************e Republicans.

Baby steps, baby steps, single payer one day.


Steve

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If President Obama had his way, single payer would be law today (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2014 OP
I agree. Aristus Mar 2014 #1
Medicare for All needs to be the campaign slogan for 2014. Loudly Mar 2014 #2
here are my thoughts steve2470 Mar 2014 #3
Essentially, every complaint about ACA is quieted by Medicare for All. Loudly Mar 2014 #5
I agree with you steve2470 Mar 2014 #6
The problem (for them) of decrying Medicare as socialism Loudly Mar 2014 #8
they tried to defeat Medicare in 1965 with the socialism scare tactic steve2470 Mar 2014 #13
Totally agree! LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #4
where he failed was not offering a Medicare "buy in" ebbie15644 Mar 2014 #7
He didn't fail that...it wouldn't have passed.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #9
He didn't even try ebbie15644 Mar 2014 #11
It would have been a waste of time AND in doing so...might have jeopardized what we VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #12
Well said! classof56 Mar 2014 #15
Besides ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #16
Exactly...nothing stopping them from doing it themselves if it were as "easy" as some seem VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #18
Agree to disagree ebbie15644 Mar 2014 #17
Sure Sherman A1 Mar 2014 #10
He went for what he could get, now the GOP has proclaimed ACA as a bad bill Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #14
THIS ^^^ is partly HOW he painted them into the corner they are in.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #19
Yes, they backed themselves into a corner, it is not perfect and they need to work together to do a Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #21
Thank you Steve. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #20
Absolutely. Whisp Mar 2014 #22
seen my thread in GD about no war in Ukraine ? steve2470 Mar 2014 #23
holds my head steve2470 Mar 2014 #24

Aristus

(68,334 posts)
1. I agree.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:52 AM
Mar 2014

I get a little tired of Democrats laying the blame for all the world's ills on the President.

We have Republicans for that.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
2. Medicare for All needs to be the campaign slogan for 2014.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:52 AM
Mar 2014

Anti-ACA sentiment absolutely requires it, and cannot be mollified.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
3. here are my thoughts
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:56 AM
Mar 2014

1- The idealistic side of me completely agrees with you.

2- The cynical, as realistic as possible political side of me is wary. It astounds me that the ACA, as mild as it is, gets such fury from some of the American people. What would happen if we went all out for Medicare for All ? I guess we have to take the plunge. There is no dipping toe into the water, unless it's to tweak the ACA.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
5. Essentially, every complaint about ACA is quieted by Medicare for All.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:00 AM
Mar 2014

Even the "we can't afford it" objection is overcome by expansion of the risk pool, since Medicare in its present form is skewed toward end-of-life care, the most expensive kind.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
6. I agree with you
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:06 AM
Mar 2014

However, I think the RW and Republicans would be screaming socialism. It would be a very tough fight. Can we win it right now ? Only if massive amounts of money and people time are put into it. Otherwise, it will go down in flames. I hate to be so negative, but freaking hell, people are calling ACA socialism ! What BS.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
8. The problem (for them) of decrying Medicare as socialism
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:15 AM
Mar 2014

is that it is an existing and overwhelmingly popular program.

So why is it good to offer it to seniors and bad to offer it to everyone else?

I'm not worried about messaging that one at all.

What worries me is trying to thread the needle of how the benefits of ACA are worth the dislocations.

That seems like an utterly futile endeavor in an election year.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
13. they tried to defeat Medicare in 1965 with the socialism scare tactic
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:26 AM
Mar 2014

so yes, that reassures me about framing it as Medicare for All. Medicare is a hugely popular program.

LostOne4Ever

(9,597 posts)
4. Totally agree!
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:59 AM
Mar 2014

But some people think just by waving a magic wand Obama can make a little thing called politics magically vanish, and then get mad at HIM for the REPUBLICANS BEING ASSHOLES!!!

Sorry, venting a bit about one of the ACA threads in GD

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
12. It would have been a waste of time AND in doing so...might have jeopardized what we
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:25 AM
Mar 2014

did get. Don't let the good be the enemy of the perfect.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
16. Besides ...
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 02:27 PM
Mar 2014

If Single-payer were all and all, why has only one (maybe, 2) jurisdiction(s) taken advantage of the ACA provision that allows states to their own public option?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
18. Exactly...nothing stopping them from doing it themselves if it were as "easy" as some seem
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 05:02 PM
Mar 2014

to think it is....

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. He went for what he could get, now the GOP has proclaimed ACA as a bad bill
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 11:02 AM
Mar 2014

And it is the GOP health care plan, now they do not have an alternate plan. Medicare was passed and has improved over the years and it was the Democratic plan. Why it has taken so many years to get any health care passed while many other countries has done this and it works well for them. I have been fortunate to have had health insurance but have always supported health care for all. President has a lot on his shoulders but I will always remember him for getting ACA passed. Thanks Mr President.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
19. THIS ^^^ is partly HOW he painted them into the corner they are in....
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 05:05 PM
Mar 2014

Now they are eating their own....

Thanks Mr President indeed!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
21. Yes, they backed themselves into a corner, it is not perfect and they need to work together to do a
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 06:37 PM
Mar 2014

job 100 years in the making.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
22. Absolutely.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:15 PM
Mar 2014

but there will always be a slice of Stupid that truly believes he is the evil satan man, sent to destroy us all - and laugh at his handiwork of destruction while watching the suffering.

And I don't mean the Baggers.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
24. holds my head
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:58 PM
Mar 2014

I think I need to hide in here a while. The feedback on my thread in GD is...amazing.

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