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steve2470

(37,468 posts)
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:19 PM Mar 2014

Must not give President Obama any credit !

Yes, the situation with Ukraine and Crimea IS a no-brainer. That's not my entire point in GD. I still think a Republican president would be handling this FAR worse than President Obama. Hence, my thread in GD.

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Must not give President Obama any credit ! (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2014 OP
They'll say "see, he listened to us instead of louis-t Mar 2014 #1
I've been at DU for about 9.5 years steve2470 Mar 2014 #2
You think people should change their opinions upaloopa Mar 2014 #3
50% means, giving the guy credit when it's due steve2470 Mar 2014 #4
I understand you I think upaloopa Mar 2014 #5
let's balance the criticism with credit steve2470 Mar 2014 #7
I know steve... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #6
I will be happy to read those steve2470 Mar 2014 #8

louis-t

(23,716 posts)
1. They'll say "see, he listened to us instead of
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:42 PM
Mar 2014

doing what he was gonna do."

Did I tell you how much I hate republicants?

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
2. I've been at DU for about 9.5 years
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:44 PM
Mar 2014

During that time, 99% of the posts have been critical of him in some way. I'd settle for at least 50-50, but I'm dreaming obviously.

Republican leaders in Washington and at the RNC suck.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. You think people should change their opinions
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:03 PM
Mar 2014

so you get your 50-50?
Did you ever wonder why people feel as they do?
Clinton maintained a 60% approval and Obama can't crack 50%.
Granted the tea party hates him which drive his numbers down.
I am an Obama supporter generally. I gave both his campaigns more money than I ever gave any one or cause in my life. I got invited to both inaugurations and got Obama family Christmas cards so I am not an Obama hater.
I feel for many reason his Presidency will not go down as a great one. That is sad because there was so much hope in 2008.
It is not all his fault but the cards have been dealt and you can read them or not it is up to you. If the right takes the Senate things will be even worse.
I am hoping for the best but I truly don't see it happening.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
4. 50% means, giving the guy credit when it's due
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:11 PM
Mar 2014

Of course he's going to be criticized. This is not Barack Obama Echo Chamber Underground. Some of the rants I see about policy and/or PBO are more driven by emotion than by well-established facts. Yes, I'd like things to be different also. However, I'm a diehard realist about how fucked up Washington is and the Republicans in particular.

This country actually has people living in it that believe the earth is only 6k years old. They also think the ACA is OMFG Communism. That's why things are so fucked up.

I hope you hear my post with the respect I intend for you. I am not into snark, in general.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
7. let's balance the criticism with credit
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:21 PM
Mar 2014

And if we must criticize, stay oriented to well-established facts and adhere to the realistic perspective about this country, Washington and Republicans.

Some of the posters here (and no I'm not going to do any callouts) are not motivated by positive feelings for Democrats and/or President Obama. They almost never say anything positive about the party or about Obama. That's telling. I wonder why some stay here. It would be like me posting at Redstate.com and dealing with non-stop hatred. No thanks.

sheshe2

(87,490 posts)
6. I know steve...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:18 PM
Mar 2014

1. Appointing two Supreme Court Justices: When people consider their presidential voting decision, most don’t consider that amongst the most important and enduring presidential responsibilities is the president’s ability to appoint supreme court justices. This is arguably a president’s biggest opportunity to influence his country, because Supreme Court justices sit until they retire or pass away, so the impact of his decision generally will last many decades beyond his years as president. Obama has been fortunate enough to have two Supreme Court Justices retire in his first few years in office and he has managed to secure both of his nominations through wise selection and political skill. He has added two Democrats, replacing two moderate Democrats in the process. If a Republican has won the presidency instead, we would now be looking at an unbalanced Supreme Court with six conservatives and only three liberal judges – a balance that would have been in place for many many decades. In the appointment process, Obama also introduced needed diversity to the bench with two more women on the court, bringing the count to a record three women sitting, while also introducing the nation’s first Hispanic to the Supreme Court with his choice of Sotomayor.

2. Passing Universal Healthcare: Obama accomplished what no prior Democrat could in expanding coverage to 32 million more Americans while simultaneously reducing the deficit by an estimated $1.3 trillion over the next 20 years. It delivers on every provision of the Patient Bill of Rights that Bill Clinton unsuccessfully tried to get passed, including making it illegal to deny coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and capping out of pocket expenses when people get sick (so people don’t go in to bankruptcy after getting ill). It helps shift our medical system’s focus to preventative care by covering the cost of early warning tests so our doctors find diseases before they are too advanced - avoiding larger medical expenses down the road and requires the largest and richest American companies to provides insurance for all their employees. It attempts to lower health care costs by forcing all Americans to have medical insurance and pay their fair share so the system is more efficient – similar to how all Americans need to have car insurance – while providing tax credits to help the poor and small businesses afford this coverage. It increases competition by creating marketplace exchanges to make it easier for small businesses and those without insurance to shop and compare plans. It funds co-ops who can offer competitive insurance plans and provide further competition for insurance companies. It allows insurance companies to offer plans across state borders further increasing the supply of competitive plans. It provides funding, infrastructure, and support to automate, digitize, and unify the country’s outdated medical information system reducing system-wide costs, improving care, and increasing productivity. Perhaps most importantly, it sets up an independent commission of doctors and medical experts to identify and root out medical system waste, fraud, and abuse and includes many pieces of reform that will reduce the most wasteful medical system practices.

3. Financial industry reform: The most sweeping financial industry reform legislation since the Great Depression, this legislation tries to correct those industry issues that helped create the current recession we are still digging outselves out of. It provides a system to allow the government to break apart large financial institutions that threaten the economy, creates a council of federal regulators to coordinate the detection of risks to the financial system, subjects a wider range of financial companies to government oversight, creates a Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection to help protect citizens from unscrupulous practices, and reins in banks’ ability to trade in risky financial instruments such as credit derivatives.

4. Preventing a 2nd Great Depression: While preventing a depression is not sexy and certainly is reactive, history may say that this is still one of his most important accomplishment to date. The vast majority of economists and experts say that the nation had a high chance of slipping in to a Depression had this stimulus not passed along with the innovative actions of the Fed. Obama has worked with Bernanke and the Fed, put a team of some of the best economic minds around him, helped save America’s 3 major car manufacturers from going out of business, passed the largest economic Stimulus Bill in the nation’s history, and executed other legislative changes to keep liquidity flowing in our economy, save jobs that would have otherwise been lost, and fund areas of our economy that are strategic and important for our long term economic competitiveness including health care, education, green energy, science, and infrastructure.

A lot More Here if anyone cares to read it:http://3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/

He handled or is handling Ukraine and Crimea with diplomacy. It was the same with Syria. No, sadly, he never gets any credit.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
8. I will be happy to read those
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:22 PM
Mar 2014

President Obama is probably the best President of my lifetime, with Jimmy Carter a close second. People lose sight of the fact that we only got FDR because of the Great Depression. If the economy had been good back then, Hoover probably would have won.

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