At this point in the game, I'm not really caring how they frame it , and how they choose to justify it to themselves.

There are no style points!

It is funny when a republican will say that they are voting democrat this year but that they aren't voting for Clinton. They are really voting against Trump. They act like it is going to offend you. Every vote against Trump helps the democratic party.

to beat Trump. But if they would like to participate in electing Hillary Clinton as POTUS, then they can tell themselves anything they want. Who cares?

...and while I don't agree with them, as long as they vote against the GOP I will not question their sanity or berate them for it.

they don't yet realize that these kinds of decisions are made by the rest of us all the time. No candidate meets 100% of our needs at any time in any election. We make the best choice based on the available information, and it's all relative.

When your entire political life has only revolved around one guy, it's pretty easy to sit back and complain about the lack of choices. For the rest of us, we've been making those choices for years or decades.

Edit: hard choices, as it were. lol

I have nothing major or even troubling against HRC. Perfectly sound mainstream Dem with good political instincts and God's own Rolodex. But there's nothing about her that makes me driven to support her personally. It's kinda cool to get a female POTUS, a generation or two after most major democracies though that is, and I respect the machine she and Bill built, but as a person and campaigner she's a bit dry and uninspiring, and as a policymaker she's hardly devastatingly original or exciting. I'm voting for the D because I don't want any R, let alone just Trump, anywhere near any seat of power. I'll donate and campaign a bit and vote for Clinton in exactly the same way as I would if she had to drop out and Biden or Gore or Kerry stepped in. No more no less. Sanders was a bit more original and inspiring but not to a life changing level to be honest. I never saw the huge gulf many of his more rabid supporters, or distractors, did.

I however don't think that's a problem. We have two viable parties to choose between. I have some quibbles with any Dem but nothing sine qua non. Reps on the other hand should not be allowed any authority above traffic control and that only under supervision. Every vote I make is against Reps, and for Dems only in that they have a more sensible philosophy. The last individual I thought moldbreeaking enough to vote for them personally rather than as a D standardbearer was Paul Tsongas against the last successful Clinton primary run in 92, with expectedly zero impact. I was happy with Clinton, B. and expect to be happy with Clinton H., but I'm not voting for either as a person but as an adocate for the only sound theory of governance available to us.

even against Bill or Obama, is that she's a uniter. She has the ability to communicate and empathize with people, and inspire FIERCE loyalty in those she's reached out to. She has so many people with her because she makes people feel "she's with us". And she's also helped by the fact that she tries, even when she has random gaffes that make her seem out of touch. Especially with marginalized people, there are so, so many people that don't even try that when someone DOES try, from the heart, the gaffes can be forgiven. Bill had a lot of that going on too, the only time the gaffes actually hurt was 2008 and the circumstances there were obviously unique.

This is the first primary I really cared enough about to vote in (the first one I was eligible for was '88), but my overriding philosophy is that Democrats must be elected.

All this talk about rounding people up and/or refusing them entry strikes too close to the bone for someone whose parents and all other relatives were rounded up by Hitler -- the real one.

BIL is flat-out voting for Hillary Clinton.

Whatever one's reasons for voting or enthusiasm for/against a candidate, that vote is still counted the same.