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Related: About this forumSANDERS MUST CONCEDE AND ENDORSE HILLARY CLINTON IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK AT THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/06/16/1539301/-SANDERS-MUST-CONCEDE-AND-ENDORSE-HILLARY-CLINTON-IF-HE-WANTS-TO-SPEAK-AT-THE-DEMOCRATIC-CONVENTIONTonights episode talked about concessions Bernie Sanders would most likely receive even if he stays in the race until the Democratic Convention. 1. Democrats will probably get rid of Super Delegates. Also, the Democrats will most likely get rid of Caucuses to make everyones vote be counted, not just those that can attend Caucuses. Same Day Voting and Open Primaries are determined by the state so that is not set at the Democratic Convention.
The most important thing you will learn in this clip is that THERE ARE NO CONCESSION SPEECHES AT THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION AND THERE NEVER HAS BEEN! So, Unless Bernie Sanders concedes and Endorses Hillary Clinton then he will not get to speak until Thursday after the vote on Wednesday night where the Candidate is elected. This is the way it has always been and this will not change.
Joy Reid talks about Bernie Sanders coming in pretty late to the game after thinking he would win California and have more leverage. She also discusses the issue of the removal of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and why it most likely will not happen. Also,Gov. Ed Rendell discusses the fact that there are no concession speeches. Sanders does not and will not get to make a speech or plea to the Super Delegates before the vote of all Pledged and Super Delegates. Watch the video below and it explains how speeches work at the Democratic Convention
If this is true I didn't know....this
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BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)I'm glad Democrats are pushing back against his obviously petty ransom list. He's stupid for thinking everything has to change just because he demands it. We have a presumptive nominee and the refusal of Bernie Sanders to acknowledge that changes nothing.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Cha
(305,406 posts)make sanders look bad.. worse.
Cha
(305,406 posts)First BS wants to Flip the SuperDs and then he wants to get rid of them... he needs to make up his damn mind.
No getting rid of Super Delegates just because burnie sanders says so.
Thank you, Iaaa~
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)BS cant,make demands,who is he to do so..?? so its time for him to go home...
stonecutter357
(12,769 posts)Cha
(305,406 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)I wonder if he knows this?????
livetohike
(22,965 posts)The Primaries are over. He needs to get over it and go back to being an Independent.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)PJMcK
(22,886 posts)Let him in but don't let him speak unless he endorses the Democratic nominee. I just think we need every vote we can get in the GE. Senator Sanders' supporters, most of who have sincere views, should be welcomed as well provided they support the Party and its nominee.
Secretary Clinton is a gracious woman and has been a class act. I'd like to follow her lead on this.
jimw81
(111 posts)Has to be best reporter on twitter and on tv. Sanders speech tonight dictates everything.
liberal N proud
(60,945 posts)DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!
I bet the Republicans wish they still had Super Delegates. Open Primaries are another STUPID idea.
These assholes didn't play by the rules so the rules have to be thrown out? They were there to protect from just such shit from happening.
LOOK AT THE REPUBLICANS and Their TRUMP problem!
Cha
(305,406 posts)read it.
I hope it's a stupid mistake.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Koinos
(2,798 posts)His so-called "concession speech" at the convention would probably turn out to be anything but a concession speech. He would use the microphone to agitate his delegates and cause the same sort of ruckus we saw at the Nevada convention.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Cha
(305,406 posts)What do you think about it saying.. "they'll probably get rid of the Super Dels"? That's seems absurd and bizarre.
They're our backup.. the repubs wish they had them right Now.
Koinos
(2,798 posts)It could be that the call to abolish superdelegates is coming from Democrats, and Bernie's opposition only happens to coincide with the consensus view. Superdelegates were unnecessary this time, since Hillary won the majority of pledged delegates.
I agree with you, however. It is good to have them in the event of an emergency. Increasing the number of open primaries could lead to more trouble in the future. For many reasons, I think that open primaries are a very bad idea. Democrats should pick their own nominees.
Bernie's opposition to superdelegates, followed by his resorting to them, is clearly a self-contradictory position (like many of his other positions).
Caucuses should indeed be abolished. Many participants felt bullied by Bernie's supporters. Many others did not attend for fear of being bullied or for other personal reasons. It is not a democratic method of choosing a nominee.
Cha
(305,406 posts)if she has an answer as to what we would do if there's ever a situation with the Democrats in the future.. like the gop is having right now with trump?
BS excoriated SuperDels in the beginning and then he wanted to flip them, while his supporters were harassing them.. now he wants to get rid of them but not before flipping them.
Is anyone in authority keeping track of his whip lash positions on SuperDs?
Koinos
(2,798 posts)I think she wields more power than ever before, because of her tromping on Trump and her strong endorsement of Hillary Clinton. I believe she has bumped Bernie and is the new leader of the progressive movement in the Senate. So we may see her influence felt at the convention, especially if Hillary gives her the VP spot. She is regarded as a strong progressive AND a loyal Democrat, something Bernie was both unwilling and unable to achieve.
LiberalFighter
(53,467 posts)And since then very little may have been discussed about them as to the purpose. When they have their spring meeting they need to have a presentation about the history of them.
splat
(2,326 posts)...and the Bernies.
If a demagogue were to sweep the electorate off its feet, party stalwarts -- superdelegates -- could stop the madness. Yeah, GOP, I'm talking about you.
LiberalFighter
(53,467 posts)He must have something against free will.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Supers and closed primaries keep us strong! Losers that can't concede and end things properly don't get concessions. He's proven he won't be an asset.
Koinos
(2,798 posts)I think the Democratic party can survive an attempted usurpation by Bernie Sanders.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Princess Turandot
(4,824 posts)as are all of the various election laws that impact when people can register, closed or open primaries etc. While CA allows the political parties to decide if they will allow unaffiliated voters to vote in their primaries, that ability is granted to them by CA election law, not the DNC. That's why the R's had a closed primary and the D's had a semi-open one in 2016.
Effectively, many of Sanders' demands cannot be directly satisfied by the DNC, because of this. I have to believe that he knew that when he made them..
In a bipartisan effort, Minnesota's legislature did promptly vote in May to switch to a presidential primary in 2020, because the voters were ticked about an assortment of problems that had occurred with the 2016 caucus. But so far, they're the only state to change.
LiberalFighter
(53,467 posts)The other states likely could too for those that have their regular primaries early enough.
The rules could be set up that would result in a state losing bonus delegates if they don't use a primary already available for that purpose. For states that don't and they don't enact a law for a primary they would lose other bonus delegates.
DURHAM D
(32,835 posts)The state pays for primaries. The states with caucuses are saving money by not having primaries and given that they are mostly red states why would they help out Democrats?
Caucuses suppress voting which is something Republicans really really like so you want to punish Democrats in red states even further by devaluing their votes?
LiberalFighter
(53,467 posts)It isn't that states don't have primaries. They all do. It is just that half of them have their primaries later in the year so they have caucuses. Washington and Nebraska still had voting for president even though caucuses had already been held. So for states that already have primaries during the presidential primary season they should use primaries instead of caucuses. That would reduce the number of caucus states from 14 to 7. Colorado and Hawaii would should be friendly to the idea of having their regular primary earlier so that it could also include the presidential. That would reduce it down to 5 states that might only do it as a caucus. All red states.
If they make no real effort to change the system then yes their delegates should be reduced. Actually, they just won't get bonus delegates. Their regular delegates that are based on voter turnout for the Democratic President would still remain. The current method of delegate allocation is based on incentives. Besides voter turnout for Democratic President states also have delegates based on whether they have a Democratic Governor or congressional member.
These are the states that had caucuses:
Alaska
Colorado
Hawaii
Idaho
Iowa (June 7)
Kansas
Maine (June 14)
Minnesota (changed to primary in 2020)
Nebraska (May 10)
Nevada (June 14)
North Dakota (June 14)
Utah
Washington (May 6)
Wyoming
The dates are when they held other primaries that were no later than the primary DC had. All other states held regular primaries later.
DURHAM D
(32,835 posts)They should but they won't.
"If they make no real effort to change the system then yes their delegates should be reduced"
Who is "they"? The Democratic Party can not make it happened. The Republicans like to suppress votes...it is one of the things that gets them very excited. Why punish good Democrats living in red states?
Do you live in a blue state?
LiberalFighter
(53,467 posts)You used "they should use primaries instead of caucuses" instead of "So for states that already have primaries during the presidential primary season they should use primaries instead of caucuses." Each means something different.
True that the Democratic Party on its own can't make it happen but they can work towards it by having Democratic legislators push for it. And getting a campaign going involving the voters making a demand to have a primary instead of a caucus. Just like it happened in Minnesota. And the reason why it happened in Minnesota? Because the people did not like the way caucuses are conducted. If the people speak loud enough it could be done.
As for punishing good Democrats living in red states aren't they being punished by having caucuses? Not everyone that could is able to vote with the limited hours and accessibility compared to a regular primary election.
The allocation of delegates is based on incentives which is also saying that those not using specific rules don't receive an additional benefit. That won't change. Red states are going to receive fewer delegates than blue states with comparable population. It is a matter of how many.
It is an incentive for red states to support Democratic candidates by increasing voter turnout for our nominee. Doing so increases the number of delegates they will receive for future primaries. My state went from 72 base votes in 2008 to 96 in 2012. It went down to 83 for this year? Why? Because in 2008 they had a campaign in my state and won it the first time since 1964. It went down in 2016 because they didn't target my state in 2012. If Hillary wins this year in my state it will go back up.
For a comparison, Indiana has a population of 6,537,334 while Arizona has 6,553,255. Indiana has 83 delegates to Arizona's 75 delegates.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)He can demand all he wants.......his not going to change anything,plus his not the nominee to demand anything......
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)creon
(1,183 posts)I doubt that he will "concede".
I think that he will go on until Clinton is actually nominated by the delegates.
What he will do after she is nominated, only Sanders knows that.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,467 posts)Only the nominee should speak. Once a nominee has been elected Sanders would no longer be the Democratic candidate for President.
They might allow him to speak after the nomination is over but it better not be divisive. I would expect they would review it too.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Especially if he doesn't come out and support our nominee. It has been a relief not to hear him bellowing every day and wagging his finger. I think the fervent support of some of his followers is fading fast
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,467 posts)They have someone give the nomination and the seconding speeches.
Gothmog
(154,470 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I'm sure there's a 3:30AM slot open for those that fail to concede and endorse our nominee.