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Sanders collides with black lawmakersThe Congressional Black Caucus 'vehemently' opposes Sanders' call to abolish superdelegates.
In a letter sent to both the Sanders and Hillary Clinton campaigns, the CBC is expressing its resolute opposition to two key reforms demanded by Sanders in the run-up to the Democratic convention: abolishing the partys superdelegate system and opening Democratic primaries up to independents and Republicans.
"The Democratic Members of the Congressional Black Caucus recently voted unanimously to oppose any suggestion or idea to eliminate the category of Unpledged Delegate to the Democratic National Convention (aka Super Delegates) and the creation of uniform open primaries in all states," says the letter, which was obtained by POLITICO. "The Democratic Party benefits from the current system of unpledged delegates to the National Convention by virtue of rules that allow members of the House and Senate to be seated as a delegate without the burdensome necessity of competing against constituents for the honor of representing the state during the nominating process."
The letter which was also sent to Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz follows a Wednesday CBC meeting where members discussed for over an hour the impact of eliminating superdelegates on the African-American community, according to CBC Chairman Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.).
"We passed a resolution in our caucus that we would vehemently oppose any change in the superdelegate system because members of the CBC might want to participate in the Democratic convention as delegates but if we would have to run for the delegate slot at the county level or state level or district level, we would be running against our constituents and we're not going to do that, said Butterfield. But we want to participate as delegates and that's why this superdelegates system was created in the beginning, so members would not have to run against their own constituents."
The opposition to open primaries is based on the fear that allowing independent or Republican voters to participate in Democratic primaries would dilute minority voting strength in many places.
Much more in link: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-black-caucus-superdelegates-224502
Here is the 2nd letter which is attached ~ By James E. Clyburn D-SC: http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000155-69c5-d0c4-a1fd-fbc710260001
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liberal N proud
(60,945 posts)The SD's are there to protect the party from outsiders.
Gothmog
(154,485 posts)sheshe2
(87,490 posts)Didn't see yours.
I posted in GDP, the one and only time I posted there.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512205977
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Don't see the sense in arguing with Republicans and learnt that there was no sense this year doing the same with BS supporters.
Cha
(305,406 posts)lots of OPs get posted in more than one Group.
Mahalo, this is excellent News.. WE are on the same page as the CBC!
YAY.. Do NOT get rid of the SuperDels just because BS wants them gone. IF the SDs went for
BS we would NOT be having this conversation.
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stopbush
(24,630 posts)Sad.
MichMan
(13,173 posts)I generally make assumptions that politicians quite frequently readily abandon principle in favor of their own self interests.
Cha
(305,406 posts)It's an asinine assumption.
sheshe2
(87,490 posts)Bernie is that away. <
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Cha
(305,406 posts)didn't happen, did it.
We deal in reality here in Hillary's Group.
And, what are you even going on about.. "can't burden them"? Super Dels are there for a reason as a back up safety net.. Hillary didn't need them.
First BS excoriated them.. then he tried to flip them.. when that didn't work.. he wanted them gone. Who cares what he has to say about it? He's just whining because they didn't go for him.
How dare you come in Hillary's Group and insult the CBC.
DemonGoddess
(5,123 posts)I agree with them. The SDs are there to protect the party, for one. And OPEN primaries only open up the process to ratfuckery. We want Democrats selecting the Democratic nominee.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)So, yes.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)There should be no SD's on the 1st ballot at the convention.
But the rules should be changed for 2020, as they are already set in place for this year.
FloridaBlues
(4,367 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Thankie!
sheshe2
(87,490 posts)Thanks Her Sister.
You either belong to a party and/ or join in the primary or you do not. You know the rules or you do not. If one does not know the rules, they are not an informed voter.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,443 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)are beneficial to the Democratic Party in the future.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,443 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,496 posts)both of these issues.
If the party as a whole at some point wishes to revamp the SD process, then that could and should be discussed and voted upon within the party membership. But it should never be considered as a demand or condition from the loser in a Presidential primary.
ALL primaries should be closed. Period. If Independents wish to vote in Dem primaries, then they can register as Dems. It's easy enough to do. In fact, I know several who did just that in MD. But the individuals I know who did that all voted for Hillary.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)as soon as he "really" gets back to doing his job.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)And southern state Dems know that reality very well. At this point, it is all they can do to hold on to their votes in state controlled elections.
(Reposting from GDP)
Such an important issue, Her Sister! Thank you for posting and thank you to CBC!
skylucy
(3,854 posts)hope they aren't the only ones.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)stopbush
(24,630 posts)Good.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)to strip power in the democratic party away from the Obama coalition...women and PoC.
He means to destroy the democratic party as is and replace it with libertarians, greens, disaffected tea baggers and independents.
The CBC and all democrats have every right to be righteously angry about Sanders bold attempt at destroying the democratic party then rebuilding it in his image.
BootinUp
(49,023 posts)I am done thinking about Sanders and his motivations. So done, you wouldn't believe it.
Cha
(305,406 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)Associated with doing away with Super Delegates.
radical noodle
(8,582 posts)They're there for good reasons and the chance of them voting in a big block against someone who didn't do well in the primaries is really unlikely. The reasoning in this article makes sense to me.
I do wish that we'd get rid of some of the caucuses or change the way they're done somehow. So many people are left out of those.
Cha
(305,406 posts)radical noodle
(8,582 posts)Early in the campaign he complained that the Super Delegates should not vote for someone who didn't win the Pledged Delegates. Then later when Hillary won the Pledged Delegates, he totally flipped and said that the Supers should vote for him because he was more electable. Hypocrisy, thy name is Bernie.
Cha
(305,406 posts)Now he's wasting taxpayers money on his SS detail by not dropping out.. There's no more Primaries left and he has no excuses for Wasting MORE of our MONEY.
Mahalo, rad
Gothmog
(154,485 posts)I am not surprised that the CBC is taking a strong position on this issue
Cha
(305,406 posts)If they had gone for BS we would not be having this conversation.
Cha
(305,406 posts)get to dictate terms.
The CBC has been in the Democratic Party for a long time and they've earned our trust.
The opposition to open primaries is based on the fear that allowing independent or Republican voters to participate in Democratic primaries would dilute minority voting strength in many places.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-black-caucus-superdelegates-224502
And, I would like to take another opportunity to thank them and their Constituents for Voting for Hillary! And, President Barack Obama.. we owe them our Country! They get out and VOTE!
Mahalo, HS.. the CBC makes perfect sense~
radical noodle
(8,582 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)We won't be cowed by non-democrats who want to weaken our Party!
Cha
(305,406 posts)BS is just whining about them because they didn't go for him. That's no reason to change our rules... sanders just wants to throw his damn weight around.
Thank you CBC for not letting it happen on your watch if you have anything to say about it.
Mahalo again, HS~
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Cha
(305,406 posts)been involved in this for decades and has sound reasoning for his positions.. or BS who wouldn't even be bringing this up if he had won?
P.S. I adore Rep James Clyburn!
Cha
(305,406 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)An Open Letter to our Democratic Colleagues and Party Leaders
To: Secretary Hillary Clinton
Senator Bernie Sanders
Hon. Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, Chair, DNC
Hon. Nancy Pelosi, House Democratic Leader
Senator Harry Reid, Senate Democratic Leader
To Whom It May Concern:
The Democratic Members of the Congressional Black Caucus recently voted unanimously to oppose any
suggestion or idea to eliminate the category of Unpledged Delegate to the Democratic National
Convention (aka Super Delegates) and the creation of uniform open primaries in all states.
The Democratic Party benefits from the current system of unpledged delegates to the National
Convention by virtue of rules that allow members of the House and Senate to be seated as a delegate
without the burdensome necessity of competing against constituents for the honor of representing the
state during the nominating process.
The origin of the unpledged delegate selection process authored by Congressman James E. Clyburn, DSC
is attached to this letter. It accurately chronicles the use of the unpledged delegate system and sets
out with particularity the reasons why this system was enacted many years ago. The system of allowing
members of Congress to serve as unpledged delegates has worked quite well. There is no need to
succumb to the pressure of a few individuals to make this change. We oppose any change to the
current delegate selection process for members of Congress.
The CBC is opposed to any state nominating system that would allow independent or Republican voters
to participate in a Democratic Primary. The Democratic Party primary is the process used by the party to
allow political aspirants to compete for their partys nomination. Allowing independent or Republican
voters to participate in the Democratic primary would dilute minority voting strength in many districts
across the country.
Finally, the members of the Congressional Black Caucus respectfully request that we be included in any
discussion that will change the system of unpledged delegates. In addition, we should be included in
any discussion that would seek to change the nominating rules to open primaries. These are significant
issues that directly affects our ability to effectively participate in the political process.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
G.K. Butterfield
G. K. Butterfield, Chairman
Democratic Caucus of the Congressional Black Caucus
Here is the CBC letter: http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000155-6a23-dbd7-a5d5-fe6f76ef0000
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)The GOP is wishing that they had SDs similar to ours right about now.