Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumI don't think that the greatest danger to the Democratic Party is the GOP
And I don't think that the greatest danger to the GOP is the Democratic Party. The greatest danger to both parties comes from within their own ranks, or from the allied independents who consider themselves too pure ideologically to be Demarcates or Republicans.
It is the far left and far right zealots who are determined to drag the major parties to their extremist positions regardless of the costs who most endanger their parties and the American political system. The more radicalized the major parties become, the less effective they will be in governing. We have already seen the stifling gridlock in Washington. The further the major parties drift to the left and to the right, the less chance there will be that they can cooperate to solve our nation's most pressing problems. Sooner or later the vast majority of voters will lose all faith in both parties - and that has already started to happen.
More moderate Democrats don't tend to be loud and passionate, but it is time that we must raise our voices and be counted or we will be overrun by our more passionate, less numerous associates to our far left.

BootinUp
(49,337 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)becomes like a dog whistle of sorts. A seductive siren call ?
There's also like a fundamentalism of sorts. They don't want to wait till society naturally chooses where they're going. Instead they want to impose their "religion" on the rest through the government. Even though either extreme is necessarily a numerical minority.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)And don't dare start telling them about the area on the curve....
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)...another key word. Revolution is the new black! Silly to use that word. Revolutions are apparent when they are producing results. People cannot predict a revolution. Cannot provoke it. Too many players come into play. I think if people use that word -already they're wrong! Use of that word is just wishing. It's actually weak to use that word. Shows you're trying to rely on "strong" words because you ain't got much else. You don't really got the wherewithal or the know how. It's lazy. You don't know what you're talking about. So you throw that word around any chance you get.
Same with "Movement". Another strong sounding and self important word. If you don't have the receipts what are you talking about?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... you know they can't stand that.
Her Sister
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creon
(1,183 posts)A Revolution usually comes under extreme conditions; frequently arising from the destruction and dislocation caused by war. The rulers fail to take necessary decisions under extreme stress; thus, they create a 'revolutionary situation'.
"Making a Revolution" requires Revolutionary leaders ( The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin, are example of that) to take advantage.
Sometimes, revolutions are slow motion and peaceful. They 'sneak up on you'.
SharonClark
(10,398 posts)and decry the 'fascism' of DU and the Democratic Party. Of course, one of their TOS s that you can only promote Sanders for President and not post anything supportive of any other candidates. Now, THAT is fascism.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)I saw that! That's their most important rule actually!
Please do not waste our time extolling the imaginary virtues of any other candidate or try to sneak them in pretending you're undecided, or pretending you're a Bernie supporter when all you can talk about is how wonderful Hillary is. We're not interested; find another site for that.
14. Jackpine Radicals call for political revolution
and decry the 'fascism' of DU and the Democratic Party. Of course, one of their TOS s that you can only promote Sanders for President and not post anything supportive of any other candidates. Now, THAT is fascism.
creon
(1,183 posts)They are true believers.
Just keep an eye on them and let them alone otherwise.
metroins
(2,550 posts)People now read anything and take it as fact, then hive mentality sets in.
It's so easy to spread propaganda and turn party voters against themselves.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)conservatives lose when we all vote....
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I am a far left progressive liberal. But I embrace pragmatic solutions.
And frankly, to imply that the far left has managed to do anything to influence this country or the Democratic party for better/worse is inaccurate.
The Far Right has dug in its heels and refused to cooperate or compromise.
The Democratic party has kept to its pragmatism but this willingness to compromise has seen our country drift constantly to the farther right.
One of the few exceptions is Obamacare and Gay Rights/Marriage.
I have no love lost for ideologues on either side of the isle. But those on the Left have had little impact. Those on the Right have done awful damage.
I place all the blame on the ideologues on the Right, the corporate interests funding them, the politician willing to do the bidding of their pay-masters and the media for unwillingness to inform the public.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts).... but you don't fit my definition of someone on the far left. Pragmatism is not a trait any of the zealots on the far left share. Look, I personally share many of your goals and I am sure many in the HC Group do as well. However, goals alone don't make us who we are.
Those that I classify as "far left" consider themselves ideologically pure and totally right; everyone who disagrees with them in the slightest is totally wrong. Consequently, they cannot bring themselves to compromise which means they have cut themselves off from seizing small victories. Because they rarely win, they must rationalize why they don't win. Conspiracy theories and the "system is rigged" narrative become their easy outs. They favor revolution; they want it all now; they want to turn the system on it's head. Not only to they see incremental steps towards their goals as unsatisfactory, they seem to act as if incremental improvements actually run counter to the achievement of their goals. After all, incremental changes remove much of the pain of a situation and more pain a situation causes, the more they believe they can convince others that a revolution is necessary. Most of these people have abandoned or will abandon the Democratic party as too pedestrian and pragmatic. They only come back when a "perfect candidate" is running for office.
If you think this state of mind isn't limited to the zealots on the far left, you're right. This also is an almost perfect description of the zealots on the far right. They are distorted mirror images of one another.
I sincerely hope my views don't offend you, but I consider you a true Democrat and a asset of our party.
DemonGoddess
(5,125 posts)The key word here is zealot. We all know people on the far left who are not zealots, and don't subscribe to the "if you're not pure" crap that's always being spun.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Does not produce the strength to accomplish big deals, the failure will be from within.