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sheshe2

(87,544 posts)
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:11 PM Jul 2016

Serious question here?

Does any one have some history and links about concession speeches and/ or endorsements of a winning candidate for President? Are they always week long meetings held over when, where and how it happens?

I guess my main question, is there always a negotiation before the candidate that lost endorses? Are terms negotiated, ie: I will endorse if you give me this and that?

Is this the norm?

Please, this is an honest question and I would love DU's input. Yes this stems from the HC/BS campaign. I want to know if this is unique or the norm.

TIA

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Serious question here? (Original Post) sheshe2 Jul 2016 OP
Its nothing I'm familiar with mcar Jul 2016 #1
Here's Hillary in 2008, campaigning with Obama in Unity, NH Rose Siding Jul 2016 #2
She did a beautiful speech back then. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #5
As far as I know DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #3
That is my belief as well. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #6
+1! It's just what BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #10
Been voting since LBJ jehop61 Jul 2016 #4
1980 Kennedy / Carter radical noodle Jul 2016 #7
thanks rn. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #8
Possibly the best of his life radical noodle Jul 2016 #9
That was one exception ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #11
He'll never be a Democrat, either. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #12

mcar

(43,512 posts)
1. Its nothing I'm familiar with
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jul 2016

But I admit I haven't paid that much attention till now. One would think there would be evidence of precedent.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
2. Here's Hillary in 2008, campaigning with Obama in Unity, NH
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jul 2016

2 months before the convention-



They did have an hour sit-down at Diane Feinstein's home-

Senator Dianne Feinstein of California got the call from Hillary Rodham Clinton Thursday afternoon: Could she, would she let Mrs. Clinton use her home in Northwest Washington for a little sit-down with a certain senator from Illinois, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president of the United States?

Mrs. Feinstein had made the offer before and it was still good. And so a few hours later, at just about 9 p.m., Mrs. Clinton and Senator Barack Obama arrived for a face to face chat. No staff. No spouses. Just the two of them in Mrs. Feinstein’s living room.

The California senator had set up two chairs facing each other. She served them water. Nothing else. Two aides were sent to Mrs. Feinstein’s study. And Secret Service agents stayed outside.

And so it happened, The Meeting, that Democrats knew was inevitable, but for a long while thought would never come. It lasted about an hour.

And Mrs. Feinstein said she did not ask what was said. But in an interview outside the Senate chamber she said she hoped the two candidates had gotten some time to decompress and discuss the road ahead.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/the-obama-clinton-meeting/?_r=0


And it was on to the general. That's how Democrats do it.

sheshe2

(87,544 posts)
5. She did a beautiful speech back then.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jul 2016

A speech for unity in Unity.

So you are telling me there were no week long meetings back then on how to endorse. I wasn't here then and I was always an Obama supporter, yet Hillary had class.

That woman has class!

DemonGoddess

(5,123 posts)
3. As far as I know
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jul 2016

going from memory here, too, so bear with me.

Going by past observations, and things which have been brought up about other losing candidates in the past. There is never supposed to be a quid pro quo for concession.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
4. Been voting since LBJ
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jul 2016

This situation has never been a problem before. In old days, candidates were pretty much picked by party bosses. Few primaries. In last few elections, losing candidates have been gracious enough to concede without making any demands. But alas, not Bernie☹️

radical noodle

(8,600 posts)
7. 1980 Kennedy / Carter
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jul 2016

That was pretty awful and even though Carter was way ahead in delegates and popular votes, Kennedy refused to endorse and caused trouble at the convention by trying to change the rules at the last minute to get delegates to change their votes.

From Carter's Diary about the Kennedy "snub"
http://www.salon.com/2010/09/20/carter_kennedy_drinks/

Kennedy's convention speech
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/tedkennedy1980dnc.htm

Just one example of an ugly end to a primary.

sheshe2

(87,544 posts)
8. thanks rn.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jul 2016
We can be proud that our Party stands for a fair housing law to unlock the doors of discrimination once and for all. The American house will be divided against itself so long as there is prejudice against any American buying or renting a home.

And we can be proud that our Party stands plainly and publicly and persistently for the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment.


Women hold their rightful place at our convention, and women must have their rightful place in the Constitution of the United States. On this issue we will not yield; we will not equivocate; we will not rationalize, explain, or excuse. We will stand for E.R.A. and for the recognition at long last that our nation was made up of founding mothers as well as founding fathers.

A fair prosperity and a just society are within our vision and our grasp, and we do not have every answer. There are questions not yet asked, waiting for us in the recesses of the future. But of this much we can be certain because it is the lesson of all of our history: Together a President and the people can make a difference. I have found that faith still alive wherever I have traveled across this land. So let us reject the counsel of retreat and the call to reaction. Let us go forward in the knowledge that history only helps those who help themselves.

There will be setbacks and sacrifices in the years ahead; but I am convinced that we as a people are ready to give something back to our country in return for all it has given to us.


Thanks for the ugly end to a primary. Yet Kennedys speech was inspiring.


radical noodle

(8,600 posts)
9. Possibly the best of his life
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jul 2016

not exactly a ringing endorsement for Carter as much as a speech for all Democrats.

It was certainly not as bad as Christie's speech for Romney in 2012, though. LOL

BlueMTexpat

(15,496 posts)
11. That was one exception ...
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 06:19 AM
Jul 2016

but Kennedy was at a very dark period in his life then, much troubled by alcohol addiction, only finally helped by second wife Victoria Reggie (although one son disagrees with that take).

Also Kennedy, unlike any other Dem candidate ever, had had two brothers assassinated while in or seeking the Office of President and he didn't get along with President Carter generally. It was not so much his lack of endorsement as his primarying a sitting President in the first place that was problematic. He did finally endorse and campaign for Carter, but things like the 1980 Moscow Olympic Boycott and especially the ongoing Iran Hostage Crisis that ABC News - oh so helpfully - featured EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, were more determinative of the outcome of the 1980 election. See., e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightline#The_Iran_Crisis.E2.80.93America_Held_Hostage_.281979.29

I'm not excusing Kennedy's behavior so much as explaining why it may have happened.

And SBS is not now, never has been and never will be a Ted Kennedy.

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