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https://apnews.com/article/mexico-heat-wave-howler-monkeys-dying-b99e0570dfb53a2fb7ebe663acecde78BY MARK STEVENSON
Updated 2:19 PM EDT, May 21, 2024
MEXICO CITY (AP) Its so hot in Mexico that howler monkeys are falling dead from the trees.
At least 83 of the midsize primates, who are known for their roaring vocal calls, were found dead in the Gulf coast state of Tabasco. Others were rescued by residents, including five that were rushed to a local veterinarian who battled to save them.
They arrived in critical condition, with dehydration and fever, said Dr. Sergio Valenzuela. They were as limp as rags. It was heatstroke.
While Mexicos brutal heatwave has been linked to the deaths of at least 26 people since March, veterinarians and rescuers say it has killed dozens and perhaps hundreds of howler monkeys.
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JudyM
(29,491 posts)MFM008
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Native
(6,288 posts)Ponietz
(3,256 posts)Every day we fail to act voluntarily hastens an autocratic regime that will use force.
Irish_Dem
(55,825 posts)IrishAfricanAmerican
(4,112 posts)Irish_Dem
(55,825 posts)stopdiggin
(12,660 posts)(if that terminology is in any way applicable) - are almost certainly going to be viruses and single celled organisms.
A handful of orcas going rogue in the Mediterranean ... Means - - essentially nothing.
Irish_Dem
(55,825 posts)And often have some meaning.
Scientists try to figure out what that meaning might be.
stopdiggin
(12,660 posts)was that 'other species' would turn to targeting humans. And - it requires a further leap to infer a degree of deliberation and motivation against said target - on the basis of understanding the stresses and causation of 'climate change'
I'll await any kind of evidence for such behavior.
(by any species - - excepting of course, homo sapiens).
Irish_Dem
(55,825 posts)We don't have data to support them.
But it would make an interesting hypothesis to support or refute.
It is called science.
A scientist notices something unusual, develops hypotheses and tests them.
Yes you are correct. We have to wait for the data.
What we do know is that when a species is stressed for whatever reason, they tend to
get more aggressive. Also Darwin tells us species will fight for survival.
So we can use those theories to help us make some hypotheses.
stopdiggin
(12,660 posts)(and situational, i.e. population overlap) attacks and/or conflict. In fact we are probably already seeing such today. (with mountain lion attacks being a prime example) (and unusual behavior in certain orca pods - possibly amounting to another)
That is still a very, very large jump from conflating 'stress behaviors' - to 'some species fighting back', in the sense of targeting humans for conflict/attack. (and particularly in any sort of motivational, or purpose based aggression)
Irish_Dem
(55,825 posts)As species become more stressed with climate change, weather changes, lack of typical food supply,
migration, encroachment of others into food supply territory, there is going to be more aggressive behavior.
It is plausible other species will be seen as a threat for reduced resources needed for survival.
Threats are usually attacked.
Not much of a leap at all.
stopdiggin
(12,660 posts)stress related behaviors (and possible aggression) while entirely predictable will almost certainly be directed against either 1) visible competition for resources (which already occurs), or 2) random aggression without identifiable motivation. But, in neither of those instances is there any motivational or directional attacks - pointing in a purposeful deliberate manner toward homo sapiens. Or, in common parlance, as you put it, "fighting back."
I'll say it again - by far the most likely candidates for 'fighting back' against the human population - are going to be viruses and single celled organisms. And they don't have the foggiest idea (nor care) what they are doing - just reacting to an available food source. But they (and of course the ubiquitous mankind itself) are the only realistic and/or meaningful 'opposition' we will see against the sapiens species. And, unless I missed the thread entirely, that's is pretty much what you meant in the post about 'species fighting back'.
EDIT: I'm going to try again here (in the spirit of comity and understanding) Are you envisioning something like a starving polar bear being marginally, and ever so slightly, more of a danger nearby human beings? Which I grant as a possibility - but hardly seems to merit mention insofar as striking a blow against the cancer of human population.
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orleans
(34,811 posts)idk.
Hekate
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.Fomenting wars to distract us.
Id say God forgive us, but somehow I dont think the Earth Goddess actually will.
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Auggie
(31,763 posts)littlemissmartypants
(24,981 posts)doc03
(36,518 posts)Otterdaemmerung
(98 posts)The mind boggles.
thomski64
(571 posts)anciano
(1,529 posts)and, if need be, she will once again, with or without us.
jimfields33
(18,433 posts)summer_in_TX
(3,131 posts)Fevers can kill. Is it Mother Earth's way of ridding herself of this most destructive organism in order to save life on earth?
We cannot know, of course. Just speculating here.
sl8
(16,223 posts)And if's literally true, well, I'll probably be ok - I'm such a minute speck, to her, that I doubt she even notices my babblings.
summer_in_TX
(3,131 posts)Whether Mother Earth/Gaia is conscious or not, the effect will be the same. (I rather expect that she IS conscious.)