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sl8

(16,223 posts)
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:45 PM May 2024

It's so hot in Mexico that howler monkeys are falling dead from the trees

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-heat-wave-howler-monkeys-dying-b99e0570dfb53a2fb7ebe663acecde78

It’s so hot in Mexico that howler monkeys are falling dead from the trees

BY MARK STEVENSON
Updated 2:19 PM EDT, May 21, 2024

MEXICO CITY (AP) — It’s so hot in Mexico that howler monkeys are falling dead from the trees.

At least 83 of the midsize primates, who are known for their roaring vocal calls, were found dead in the Gulf coast state of Tabasco. Others were rescued by residents, including five that were rushed to a local veterinarian who battled to save them.

“They arrived in critical condition, with dehydration and fever,” said Dr. Sergio Valenzuela. ”They were as limp as rags. It was heatstroke.”

While Mexico’s brutal heatwave has been linked to the deaths of at least 26 people since March, veterinarians and rescuers say it has killed dozens and perhaps hundreds of howler monkeys.

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It's so hot in Mexico that howler monkeys are falling dead from the trees (Original Post) sl8 May 2024 OP
Whoa, horrific. JudyM May 2024 #1
The future MFM008 May 2024 #2
...is here and now. Native May 2024 #5
Yeah but cheap gas and record airline travel Ponietz May 2024 #3
Some species will not survive climate change. Adapt or die time. Irish_Dem May 2024 #4
I think the orcas are adapting. IrishAfricanAmerican May 2024 #6
Exactly. Some species are going to fight back. Irish_Dem May 2024 #8
Ummm. The species most likely to 'fight back' stopdiggin May 2024 #14
In science, unusual events are of interest. Irish_Dem May 2024 #17
I assumed that (given context in the string) what was inferred in 'fighting back' stopdiggin May 2024 #19
Those are a lot of inferences. Irish_Dem May 2024 #20
I'd be more than willing to theorize a greater incidence of stress stopdiggin May 2024 #22
100% certain that fighting back can be a stress behavior. Irish_Dem May 2024 #24
your reply illustrates just why it is a great leap. stopdiggin May 2024 #25
so sad. how do you set up cooling stations for wildlife? kid pools with ice drop offs on a regular basis? orleans May 2024 #7
The tipping point is Here and Now. And what are the nations doing? Sliding toward fascism worldwide... Hekate May 2024 #9
Monkeys today, humans tomorrow Auggie May 2024 #10
Humans today, too. Check the statistics. littlemissmartypants May 2024 #15
I thought this was an Empty Greene post. Sorry for the monkeys. nt doc03 May 2024 #11
Then how are Marjorie Soylent Greene and Lauren Bobert Fanannafannafofert still with us? Otterdaemmerung May 2024 #12
..human howler monkey hybrids.. thomski64 May 2024 #26
Nature has recovered from five mass extinctions, anciano May 2024 #13
Yep. The world will go on. jimfields33 May 2024 #27
I've been wondering, is this rapid increase in the average temperature on our planet like a fever? summer_in_TX May 2024 #16
Well, even if it's not literally Mother Earth/Gaia reacting, it's a darn good metaphor. sl8 May 2024 #18
As a species, I think if we don't change (and I'm not optimistic), we will bring down a mass extinction event on us. summer_in_TX May 2024 #21
Lest we forget. Marcuse May 2024 #23

Ponietz

(3,256 posts)
3. Yeah but cheap gas and record airline travel
Tue May 21, 2024, 02:18 PM
May 2024

Every day we fail to act voluntarily hastens an autocratic regime that will use force.

stopdiggin

(12,660 posts)
14. Ummm. The species most likely to 'fight back'
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:29 PM
May 2024

(if that terminology is in any way applicable) - are almost certainly going to be viruses and single celled organisms.

A handful of orcas going rogue in the Mediterranean ... Means - - essentially nothing.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
17. In science, unusual events are of interest.
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:37 PM
May 2024

And often have some meaning.

Scientists try to figure out what that meaning might be.

stopdiggin

(12,660 posts)
19. I assumed that (given context in the string) what was inferred in 'fighting back'
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:53 PM
May 2024

was that 'other species' would turn to targeting humans. And - it requires a further leap to infer a degree of deliberation and motivation against said target - on the basis of understanding the stresses and causation of 'climate change'

I'll await any kind of evidence for such behavior.
(by any species - - excepting of course, homo sapiens).

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
20. Those are a lot of inferences.
Tue May 21, 2024, 05:15 PM
May 2024

We don't have data to support them.

But it would make an interesting hypothesis to support or refute.

It is called science.

A scientist notices something unusual, develops hypotheses and tests them.

Yes you are correct. We have to wait for the data.

What we do know is that when a species is stressed for whatever reason, they tend to
get more aggressive. Also Darwin tells us species will fight for survival.

So we can use those theories to help us make some hypotheses.

stopdiggin

(12,660 posts)
22. I'd be more than willing to theorize a greater incidence of stress
Tue May 21, 2024, 09:30 PM
May 2024

(and situational, i.e. population overlap) attacks and/or conflict. In fact we are probably already seeing such today. (with mountain lion attacks being a prime example) (and unusual behavior in certain orca pods - possibly amounting to another)

That is still a very, very large jump from conflating 'stress behaviors' - to 'some species fighting back', in the sense of targeting humans for conflict/attack. (and particularly in any sort of motivational, or purpose based aggression)

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
24. 100% certain that fighting back can be a stress behavior.
Wed May 22, 2024, 05:36 AM
May 2024

As species become more stressed with climate change, weather changes, lack of typical food supply,
migration, encroachment of others into food supply territory, there is going to be more aggressive behavior.

It is plausible other species will be seen as a threat for reduced resources needed for survival.
Threats are usually attacked.

Not much of a leap at all.

stopdiggin

(12,660 posts)
25. your reply illustrates just why it is a great leap.
Wed May 22, 2024, 11:55 AM
May 2024

stress related behaviors (and possible aggression) while entirely predictable will almost certainly be directed against either 1) visible competition for resources (which already occurs), or 2) random aggression without identifiable motivation. But, in neither of those instances is there any motivational or directional attacks - pointing in a purposeful deliberate manner toward homo sapiens. Or, in common parlance, as you put it, "fighting back."

I'll say it again - by far the most likely candidates for 'fighting back' against the human population - are going to be viruses and single celled organisms. And they don't have the foggiest idea (nor care) what they are doing - just reacting to an available food source. But they (and of course the ubiquitous mankind itself) are the only realistic and/or meaningful 'opposition' we will see against the sapiens species. And, unless I missed the thread entirely, that's is pretty much what you meant in the post about 'species fighting back'.

EDIT: I'm going to try again here (in the spirit of comity and understanding) Are you envisioning something like a starving polar bear being marginally, and ever so slightly, more of a danger nearby human beings? Which I grant as a possibility - but hardly seems to merit mention insofar as striking a blow against the cancer of human population.

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orleans

(34,811 posts)
7. so sad. how do you set up cooling stations for wildlife? kid pools with ice drop offs on a regular basis?
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:36 PM
May 2024

idk.



Hekate

(94,283 posts)
9. The tipping point is Here and Now. And what are the nations doing? Sliding toward fascism worldwide...
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:47 PM
May 2024

….Fomenting wars to distract us.

I’d say “God forgive us,” but somehow I don’t think the Earth Goddess actually will.
🌊🌊🌊🌊

Otterdaemmerung

(98 posts)
12. Then how are Marjorie Soylent Greene and Lauren Bobert Fanannafannafofert still with us?
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:00 PM
May 2024

The mind boggles.

anciano

(1,529 posts)
13. Nature has recovered from five mass extinctions,
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:14 PM
May 2024

and, if need be, she will once again, with or without us.

summer_in_TX

(3,131 posts)
16. I've been wondering, is this rapid increase in the average temperature on our planet like a fever?
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:37 PM
May 2024

Fevers can kill. Is it Mother Earth's way of ridding herself of this most destructive organism in order to save life on earth?

We cannot know, of course. Just speculating here.

sl8

(16,223 posts)
18. Well, even if it's not literally Mother Earth/Gaia reacting, it's a darn good metaphor.
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:53 PM
May 2024

And if's literally true, well, I'll probably be ok - I'm such a minute speck, to her, that I doubt she even notices my babblings.

summer_in_TX

(3,131 posts)
21. As a species, I think if we don't change (and I'm not optimistic), we will bring down a mass extinction event on us.
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:17 PM
May 2024

Whether Mother Earth/Gaia is conscious or not, the effect will be the same. (I rather expect that she IS conscious.)

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