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Mass

(27,315 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:57 PM Nov 2013

Interesting article on Kerry in the Atlantic

(long, so I will not excerpt it. It would be a ludicrous task.

The usual format of these articles on Kerry from reporters who discover that Kerry exists. A lot of silly statements that people underestimate him (I wish David Rhodes had visited the numerous articles written on this topic by people who decide to look at Kerry after having ignored him jut to discover that he is somebody impressive, but he did not bother, so the beginning of the article is about the conventional wisdom)

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/12/john-kerry-will-not-be-denied/354688/

This said, I think that the fact the media and some politicians (including on our side) underestimate him so much may help him in his works. He does not have to worry losing his reputation with these idiots. He can only do better.

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ladym55

(2,577 posts)
1. I saw this tweet yesterday about Kerry
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:13 PM
Nov 2013

It was from Eric Boehlert: "ha. Syria + Iran = history books for Kerry? (Fox News is freaking out ...)"

The world is getting to see what we have known all along ... just how smart Kerry is and what all he is capable of accomplishing.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
2. Deal with Iran
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 05:22 PM
Nov 2013

Is huge deal,and great coup for Kerry.He may end up In history books as one of best secretary of state's.

Secretary of state Is suspose to represent President to rest of world leaders and neograte on his behalf.The deal with Iran on top
of getting sucess In syria both without going to war Is huge f-ing deal.Yeah the GOP,Right wingers In Israel,and Israeli lobby In the
Democratic party won't like it.But,it's best for the world.

karynnj

(59,942 posts)
3. As you say interesting article, but frustrating in the repeated repitition
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:52 PM
Nov 2013

of media based biases. This is just like the surprise nearly every time he gave an inspiring speech - which is something he often has done sine 1971! Not to mention, how many times does he feel the need to say pompous or insufferable? (Funny that either of those traits would doom him as a negotiator - which is where he has had considerable success.)

That has never been the impression I ever had. Still it is good that there is now recognition that he has been doing a really good job.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
4. Sigh. This NPR piece (All Things Considered) is basically stupid.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 06:45 PM
Nov 2013

Looking for a legacy? Seriously? This is what NPR can find. [audio at link]

But part of the piece is good (criticism of AEI aside). Of course David Aaron Miller can be irritating too.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=247220391


Secretary of State John Kerry has been diving into difficult issues ever since he took up the office at Foggy Bottom. He's managed tough negotiations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai over a future, limited role for U.S. troops there. He's re-launched Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, reached a deal with Russia to rid Syria of chemical weapons and is now making headway with Iran to roll back that country's nuclear program. This is a man clearly looking for legacy.

karynnj

(59,942 posts)
5. What is really ridiculous is that they do this all the time to Kerry -- and just Kerry
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:17 PM
Nov 2013

What exactly is Madeline Albright's legacy or Condi Rice's (other than ignoring the warning of OBL intending to strike in the US). For that matter, what was the legacy Hillary Clinton, who has been repeated praised as SoS? I know she can become President, but I assume that no one would then spend their time writing of the need for her to have a legacy.

It is not that Kerry has ever been an under achiever.

- He was a highly decorated war hero - which for some is alone a legacy
- He will forever be remembered for his eloquent fight to end the Vietnam War - certainly a legacy
- His time in the DA's office included things many lawyers would love as their life time legacy
- Even in his time as a private lawyer, he had a case where he proved that a man on death row had not committed a murder
- As LT Governor, he was influential in getting a regional Cap and Trade for Acid Rain.
- Then there were all the things he did as Senator - including BCCI and Iran/Contra in the beginning to cosponsoring SCHIP to his work as Chair of SFRC including work in support of START.

Each of these bullet points represent more of a positive legacy than even most politicians/statesmen ever have.

By the way, the Aaron David Miller part was kind of funny - if you read his Newsday piece last week which essentially suggested Kerry should not go after a deal in Iran, which would irritate Netanyahu. http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/miller-is-john-kerry-in-over-his-head-1.6465063 If everything works out here, he may have had a lead role (with others) in avoiding a war that would have been catastrophic. In fact, even the elimination of chemical weapons - which were being regularly used in Syria, is a major legacy.




MBS

(9,688 posts)
7. some of my favorite bits. .
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 06:15 AM
Dec 2013
Kerry has something else that makes him unusual in Washington—something that sets him distinctly apart from his immediate predecessor, and that serves him well as secretary of state: an indifference to his own political standing. Political calculations may have constrained the risks Hillary Clinton was willing to take. Kerry, in contrast, no longer needs to heed political consultants. Nor does he need to worry too much about what his detractors say. . . .One can understand how being freed from constant fund-raising and politicking would be liberating. Beyond that, though, his aides say that becoming secretary of state has allowed him to be himself in a way that being an electoral politician didn’t. As a presidential candidate, he had to downplay his obsession with foreign policy and his fluency in foreign languages, for fear that such things would play badly with voters; as secretary of state, he can freely leverage those qualities.
. . .
But for all his blue-blooded superciliousness in public, Kerry can be engaging and down-to-earth in private. He drinks beer, loves the Boston Bruins, and plays ice hockey himself. (In a mark of his regular-guy bona fides, Kerry broke his nose a couple of years ago in a pickup game with friends; in a mark against those bona fides, the game was at one of his vacation homes, in Ketchum, Idaho, with the actor Tom Hanks and members of the Kennedy family.) On overseas flights, he dresses in jeans and an orange hoodie. When off the record, in relaxed settings, he is refreshingly direct, profane, and insightful, speaking bluntly about the limits of American power and caustically lamenting Washington’s growing paralysis and partisanship. He finishes sentences with phrases such as something like that or that’s about it or thanks, man. Toes tapping, head bobbing back and forth, he speaks with fervor and candor. His tenacity is palpable.. .

Current and former State Department officials praise Clinton personally—hailing her intelligence, work ethic, charisma, and voluminous reading—but some say that her inner circle of fiercely loyal aides isolated her within the department, and carefully managed her image. Richard Armitage, who served as Powell’s deputy secretary of state, praises Clinton but says she was poorly served by her aides. “My view is that she was pretty sheltered,” he told me. “They were not interpersonally pleasant, and they were very protective of her. You can get into a cocoon.” . . .Members of Clinton’s inner circle dispute this characterization, but some well-positioned observers believe that the possibility of a future presidential campaign caused Hillary to steer clear of playing the role of Middle East peace broker. . .
In the end, what cemented Kerry’s bond with Obama was less his diplomatic achievements than his ability to impersonate another tall, wealthy Massachusetts politician with good hair: Kerry served as Mitt Romney’s surrogate during weeks of preparation for the 2012 presidential debates. During mock debates, Kerry channeled Romney so effectively that, aides to both men say, he got under Obama’s skin. “I don’t think I missed one argument Romney made,” Kerry told me. By the end of debate season, Kerry had developed a new rapport with the president, according to their aides. Jen Psaki, having worked as a spokesperson for both men, says that despite their divergent backgrounds, Obama and Kerry share certain key traits: they eschew retail politics; they rely on a small coterie of aides; and they are fundamentally private people. Psaki says that while both men can turn on the charm when they need to work a crowd, they would “prefer to be in the Situation Room.” They derive more enjoyment, she says, from “grappling with tough global issues than political fund-raising or litigating yet another partisan fight on the Senate floor.”

MBS

(9,688 posts)
8. Politico reference to this article
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 06:22 AM
Dec 2013
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/was-hillary-clinton-a-good-secretary-of-state-john-kerry-2016-100766.html
the opening paragraphs:

Not so long ago, Hillary Clinton was being lauded as an exemplary secretary of state. After four years and nearly a million miles logged as America’s top diplomat, she stepped down to a torrent of praise. “The most consequential secretary of state since Dean Acheson,” enthused Google’s Eric Schmidt. “Stellar,” pronounced Bloomberg’s Margaret Carlson. Even Republican Sen. John McCain, while criticizing her response to the killing of U.S. officials in Benghazi, went out of his way to compliment her “outstanding” State Department tenure. . .That was then.

When the Atlantic published an admiring 10,000-word profile of Secretary of State John Kerry the other day, the surprise was not so much that the author, two-time Pulitzer Prize winner David Rohde, found himself impressed by the headlong diplomatic forays of the peripatetic Kerry, but the downbeat assessment of Kerry’s much more reserved predecessor. The headline? “How John Kerry Could End Up Outdoing Hillary Clinton.” A few days later, the New York Times chimed in with an article on the “tough comparisons with Kerry” Clinton is now facing, summing up the debate as one over whether she was anything more than a “pantsuit-wearing globe-trotter” in her years as secretary. . . .All of which yields the question: Was Hillary Clinton in fact a good secretary of state, and will her record as a diplomat matter if, as expected, she runs for president in 2016?

As Bill Clinton might have said, it depends on what the meaning of good is. Certainly, even many of her most ardent defenders recognize Hillary Clinton had no signal accomplishment at the State Department to her name, no indelible peace sealed with her handshake, no war averted, no nuclear crisis defused. There are few Eric Schmidts out there still willing to make the case for her as an enormously consequential figure in the history of Foggy Bottom.

Where the debate tends to rage is over why that is so, especially now that Kerry is taking on diplomatic challenges that Clinton either couldn’t or wouldn’t—from negotiating a potentially historic nuclear deal with Iran to seeking a revived Mideast peace process—and political rivals in both parties return to thinking of Clinton in the hypercharged American political context and not so much as the tireless, Blackberry-wielding face of global glad-handing.


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