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Bonobo

(29,257 posts) Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:51 AM Nov 2013

Let's not use the word "Date Rape"

It's "rape" and whether they were on a date or not shouldn't be used to minimize the crime.

Rape is rape is rape.

And calling it "rape date" minimizes it.

Let's be better than that.

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Let's not use the word "Date Rape" (Original Post) Bonobo Nov 2013 OP

I'm not so sure it minimizes it Major Nikon Nov 2013 #1

i think it was chris rock who said - once the rape starts the date is over leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #2

That is very well put libodem Nov 2013 #3

And the Hypocrite of the Year award goes to: Bonobo Nov 2013 #4

One of their usual posters regularly claims the incidence of rape is up Major Nikon Nov 2013 #5

Far more interesting a question, I would think, is why that assertion is so important Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #7

Good question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #8

Hmmmm. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #11

"Now they've got a thread about Mouse Farts in the Antarctic"! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #6

Of the year?? Shit no.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #9

Let's be honest ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #10

And those same people seem to have quite a bit of free time on their hands Major Nikon Nov 2013 #12

Exactly, and what groups should be allowed. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #13

The lack of self flagellation is what bothers them most ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #14

I personally think it's sort of worse (don't get me wrong all rape is bad) Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #15

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)

1. I'm not so sure it minimizes it

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 08:25 AM

Nov 2013

There are many different types of rape and "date rape" AKA acquaintance rape just differentiates that type from others. All rape is evil and reprehensible.

Rape is often referred to as sexual assault, which is a term that is more inclusive than rape. If anything that minimizes rape, but I haven't heard of anyone complaining about that.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)

2. i think it was chris rock who said - once the rape starts the date is over

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:37 AM

Nov 2013

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)

edit to add it's not a rape "joke" . it's a statement backing the op in that there is n o date rape it's rape

libodem

(19,288 posts)

3. That is very well put

Reply to leftyohiolib (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:01 PM

Nov 2013

Thank you for such a respectful discussion. This difficult issue becomes so emotional that practical discussions get sidetracked, and achieving insightful conclusions are disrupted. I generally evade these talks.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

4. And the Hypocrite of the Year award goes to:

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 08:56 PM

Nov 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125529123#post6

B-but I thought that since men commit rape, it is up to stop it? I thought we were supposed to talk about it?

Oh, I guess it's really not true. We are only here to be foils.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)

5. One of their usual posters regularly claims the incidence of rape is up

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 09:57 PM

Nov 2013

Despite every data set and every authoritative opinion which states the exact opposite. I have yet to see any of their frequent posters challenge that BS. I guess RAINN isn't good enough for them. Go figure.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)

7. Far more interesting a question, I would think, is why that assertion is so important

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:02 AM

Nov 2013

to a particular preferred narrative.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)

8. Good question

Reply to Warren DeMontague (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:39 AM

Nov 2013

But look at it this way. Radfem 'theory' is that more porn = more rape. When those two things are inversely proportional there must be something wrong with the theory. Perhaps it's just easier to deny the obvious than to admit Dworkin et al were flat wrong.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)

11. Hmmmm.

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:38 AM

Nov 2013

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)

6. "Now they've got a thread about Mouse Farts in the Antarctic"!

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:01 AM

Nov 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=11279

"It's a new low for the Mens Group"

opiate69

(10,129 posts)

9. Of the year?? Shit no..

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:48 AM

Nov 2013

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)

10. Let's be honest

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:49 AM

Nov 2013

You're not supposed to talk about anything.

There are clearly people here who desperately want control over who posts.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)

12. And those same people seem to have quite a bit of free time on their hands

Reply to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:57 PM

Nov 2013

They really should get a more productive hobby if nothing else than for their own sake.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)

13. Exactly, and what groups should be allowed.

Reply to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 10:55 PM

Nov 2013

If I'm not interested in certain groups I stay out of them, but I believe they have the same right as all the other groups to exist.

Reminds me of this scene from The Breakfast Club:

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)

14. The lack of self flagellation is what bothers them most

Reply to RiffRandell (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:30 AM

Nov 2013

I think they'd like this group to be "How fucking awful are we?", and it's not, and that's a problem. Hence, making up bullshit about MRA and claiming things were said and written that never were.

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)

15. I personally think it's sort of worse (don't get me wrong all rape is bad)

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:36 AM

Nov 2013

But Date Rape...is well.. you built a trust factor up here, taking a lady out for what she thinks is going to be a nice evening.

So you've breach that trust and raped her too.

Just my opinion mind you.

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