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RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 10:18 AM Oct 2014

RIP “Mansplaining"

Last edited Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:11 AM - Edit history (1)

Good article. It's not the only word on the internet that deserves criticism, but I agree with the notion that it can trivialize serious issues as the writer pointed out with Ray Rice.

How the Internet Killed One of Our Most Useful Words:

Benjamin Hart

And the word “mansplain” — a useful neologism with a proud history, whose definition was once clear as a window pane — has increasingly come to mean “men saying things to, or about, women.”


But along the way, mansplaining has morphed from a useful descriptor of a real problem in contemporary gender dynamics to an increasingly vague catchall expression that seems to be inflaming the Internet gender wars more than clarifying them.

In April, Melissa Harris-Perry accused Jay Carney, in his response to a question from Ed Henry of Fox News, of “mansplaining” why women earn less than men at the White House. But Carney was merely giving a fairly straightforward answer to a badly premised question from a right-wing outlet. Yes, he was a man explaining something. But “delivering an unsatisfactory response to a question involving gender inequality” does not a mansplain make.

Then there are the instances when the “mansplain” label actually diminishes a bigger problem. This summer, ESPN shouter Stephen A. Smith made some terribly stupid comments about the Ray Rice assault, implying that women should shoulder some of the blame for their own abuse. After fellow anchor Michelle Beadle responded with appropriate disgust, Smith dug himself into an even deeper hole with a series of rambling tweets that attempted to justify his comments. New York magazine labeled this “mansplaining.” But Smith’s response wasn’t so much an example of smug, petty condescension; it was more a matter of flat-out ignorance about the scourge of domestic violence.

Perhaps the word’s goofy clunkiness is part of the problem. “Mansplain” is not the most graceful coinage — Alexandra Petri at the Washington Post recently called it a “horrible chimera with the head of a goat and the tail of a serpent and wings” — and the ridiculousness of its construction makes it into a kind of insta-punch line, something people want to say just for the sake of saying it.



http://www.salon.com/2014/10/20/rip_mansplaining_how_the_internet_killed_one_of_our_most_useful_words/
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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. See also, "Ammosexual".
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 10:25 AM
Oct 2014

Use of terms like these say a lot about the people who use them.

They've given up on honest discussion and just want to be nasty, or maybe they've been hurt badly enough that they are unable to look for common ground.

In any event, I don't see them as productive or helpful in any way.

Kind of like Blonde or Polish jokes.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
3. I'm blonde and think blonde jokes are funny.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 11:02 AM
Oct 2014

Last week someone posted about 'a blonde bimbo-type' on the news and I thought, well thats's kind of insulting but let it go. I did call someone out once on another post but it turns out I was wrong...they were pointing out the fact that they were all white, not blonde.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. I love ethnic humor, blonde jokes, and all manner of politically incorrect humor
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 01:12 PM
Oct 2014

as long as it's well crafted and original. I find the worst parts of archer and family guy hilarious. Sorry to those who find my amusement horrifying.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. that's absolutely okay, as long as you know it isn't in the work place - or among Liberal groups...
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:49 PM
Oct 2014

because in both arenas, you will be expected to show respect for others.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
10. actually my liberal friends of all race, creed, color, age, and gender also enjoy
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:09 PM
Oct 2014

irreverent humor. If I told them that our laughs were considered "disrespectful" by a DU member, they would get a good laugh out of that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. who cares what amuses your friends except for you? try that shit at a good job, and get fired.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 08:03 PM
Oct 2014

try it here, you could get a hide if "irreveerant= sexist and racist. No one is forcing you to be here, but they DID ask you be respectful when joining up.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
12. Absolutely, it's junk politics.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:48 AM
Nov 2014

Slobbery, useless, messy noise that obscures rather than reveals.

Other terms that belong in the trash can -

"rape culture"
"white privilege"
"ODS"
"Obamabot"
"American exceptionalism"
"gay agenda"


All of these things begin with a descriptive power and end up being communication blocks. It's bad, bad voodoo making up junk terms to describe real things, the terms start rotting the minute they're coined.

pscot

(21,037 posts)
2. I thought it meant starting off with a dope slap
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 10:28 AM
Oct 2014

to make sure you had the subject's undivided attention.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. I prefer a solid carpsplaining.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:19 AM
Oct 2014

A good wet whack across my cheek with a fresh fish always guarantees the speaker my undivided focus.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
5. Since when was it useful to anyone other than assholes?
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 09:17 PM
Oct 2014

It is and always has been sexist nonsense.

From the article, here's the definition given by which we are expected to believe some sort of value is contained:

In its early incarnation, it had a straightforward definition: when a man condescendingly lectures a woman on the basics of a topic about which he knows very little, under the mistaken assumption that she knows even less.


So how is what plumbing someone was born with relevant to this definition at all? The same situation could just as easily occur with the gender roles reversed or both genders the same. Using someone's genitals as an excuse to dismiss them is wrong no matter which way it goes.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. Could have told anyone willing to listen this would happen, but then I might be accused of....
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:14 AM
Oct 2014


Anyway, yes, again, another ham-fisted phrase which came out of a recognition of a real phenomenon, but was then beaten into the ground to the point of a fairly predictable backlash, again proving that probably the least qualified people on the internet to wage wars for social justice are self-appointed internet social justice warriors.

See the etymology of the phrase "politically correct" which was, once upon a time, used with breathy earnestness on college campuses in the 80s, until it became a joke of itself and finally a RW talking point.

...Shit, I did it again!

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
8. Conversation killer. There are certain expressions designed to
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 08:21 PM
Oct 2014

quickly establish crap narrative, or to push away those with different (even reactionary) outlooks, or both. "Mansplaining" is one of those expressions which causes me to leave the discussion, and to seek out happy-hours with the game on.

Note to NYC SKP: "Ammosexual" causes me to do the same, only preceded by a loud pinto bean fart.

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