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Related: About this forumRIP “Mansplaining"
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Good article. It's not the only word on the internet that deserves criticism, but I agree with the notion that it can trivialize serious issues as the writer pointed out with Ray Rice.
Benjamin Hart
In April, Melissa Harris-Perry accused Jay Carney, in his response to a question from Ed Henry of Fox News, of mansplaining why women earn less than men at the White House. But Carney was merely giving a fairly straightforward answer to a badly premised question from a right-wing outlet. Yes, he was a man explaining something. But delivering an unsatisfactory response to a question involving gender inequality does not a mansplain make.
Then there are the instances when the mansplain label actually diminishes a bigger problem. This summer, ESPN shouter Stephen A. Smith made some terribly stupid comments about the Ray Rice assault, implying that women should shoulder some of the blame for their own abuse. After fellow anchor Michelle Beadle responded with appropriate disgust, Smith dug himself into an even deeper hole with a series of rambling tweets that attempted to justify his comments. New York magazine labeled this mansplaining. But Smiths response wasnt so much an example of smug, petty condescension; it was more a matter of flat-out ignorance about the scourge of domestic violence.
Perhaps the words goofy clunkiness is part of the problem. Mansplain is not the most graceful coinage Alexandra Petri at the Washington Post recently called it a horrible chimera with the head of a goat and the tail of a serpent and wings and the ridiculousness of its construction makes it into a kind of insta-punch line, something people want to say just for the sake of saying it.
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/20/rip_mansplaining_how_the_internet_killed_one_of_our_most_useful_words/
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Use of terms like these say a lot about the people who use them.
They've given up on honest discussion and just want to be nasty, or maybe they've been hurt badly enough that they are unable to look for common ground.
In any event, I don't see them as productive or helpful in any way.
Kind of like Blonde or Polish jokes.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Last week someone posted about 'a blonde bimbo-type' on the news and I thought, well thats's kind of insulting but let it go. I did call someone out once on another post but it turns out I was wrong...they were pointing out the fact that they were all white, not blonde.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)as long as it's well crafted and original. I find the worst parts of archer and family guy hilarious. Sorry to those who find my amusement horrifying.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)because in both arenas, you will be expected to show respect for others.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)irreverent humor. If I told them that our laughs were considered "disrespectful" by a DU member, they would get a good laugh out of that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)try it here, you could get a hide if "irreveerant= sexist and racist. No one is forcing you to be here, but they DID ask you be respectful when joining up.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Slobbery, useless, messy noise that obscures rather than reveals.
Other terms that belong in the trash can -
"rape culture"
"white privilege"
"ODS"
"Obamabot"
"American exceptionalism"
"gay agenda"
All of these things begin with a descriptive power and end up being communication blocks. It's bad, bad voodoo making up junk terms to describe real things, the terms start rotting the minute they're coined.
pscot
(21,037 posts)to make sure you had the subject's undivided attention.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)A good wet whack across my cheek with a fresh fish always guarantees the speaker my undivided focus.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)It is and always has been sexist nonsense.
From the article, here's the definition given by which we are expected to believe some sort of value is contained:
So how is what plumbing someone was born with relevant to this definition at all? The same situation could just as easily occur with the gender roles reversed or both genders the same. Using someone's genitals as an excuse to dismiss them is wrong no matter which way it goes.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Why do MEN, specifically, get to have this shit attached to them?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Anyway, yes, again, another ham-fisted phrase which came out of a recognition of a real phenomenon, but was then beaten into the ground to the point of a fairly predictable backlash, again proving that probably the least qualified people on the internet to wage wars for social justice are self-appointed internet social justice warriors.
See the etymology of the phrase "politically correct" which was, once upon a time, used with breathy earnestness on college campuses in the 80s, until it became a joke of itself and finally a RW talking point.
...Shit, I did it again!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)quickly establish crap narrative, or to push away those with different (even reactionary) outlooks, or both. "Mansplaining" is one of those expressions which causes me to leave the discussion, and to seek out happy-hours with the game on.
Note to NYC SKP: "Ammosexual" causes me to do the same, only preceded by a loud pinto bean fart.