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Related: About this forumWhat About the Men? Why Our Gender System Sucks for Men, Too
If you are anything like us, you spent some time when you were younger playing with optical illusions: the vase that, if you looked at it differently, was two faces; the fish that were also birds; the old woman who was also a young lady.
If you were reading this in a book in a bookstore, and some malicious person had not moved it into the Local Birdwatching category, it would almost certainly be next to some other books about gender. (Yes, this is related.) Look at the other books, and youd find they have one thing in commontheyre almost all about women. Women and work. Women and body image. Women and race. Women and sex. Women and feminism.
Youd think that only women have a gender.
For a long time, weve only been able to see half the illusionwe see the birds, but not the fish; the vases, but not the faces. Weve noticed the thousands of ways, big and small, that our current gender system wounds women. Rarely, however, and often only as an afterthought does anyone remark on how the current gender system harms men.
http://www.alternet.org/story/156194/what_about_the_men_why_our_gender_system_sucks_for_men_too?akid=9046.225459.5UWsCt&rd=1&t=2
Skittles
(159,240 posts)look at the Presidency
oh wait
Behind the Aegis
(54,853 posts)Or are you simply replying to the title of the article?
Response to Skittles (Reply #1)
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lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Skittles
(159,240 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You have been warned.
trumad
(41,692 posts)God what a bunch of Wussies.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The elected officials we have were put in office mostly by the 54% of the electorate who are female.
But again; none of this is germane to the OP. The article in the OP is an interesting one, and it'd be good to discuss some of the ideas in it, beyond just the title.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)they are also disproportionately represented at the bottom echelons also.
Where are the women garbage collectors, construction workers, fishermen (one of the most dangerous jobs in the country), loggers (also up there), sewage workers, coal miners, and line repairmen?
Also why with this great privilege is jail almost exclusively a male domain and the vast majority of the homeless are male?
Women may not rise up as high as some men, but they also don't tend to sink as low either.
Feminists get furious when men are too successful but they have little problem when we are too unsuccessful.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)but does nothing about the unsuccessful men is trying to make women superior to men, not equal.
Upton
(9,709 posts)Governor Christine Gregoire
Senator Patty Murray
Senator Maria Cantwell
Heck, even my Republican rep is female..Jaime Herrera Beutler
This must prove the "Patriarchy" is alive and well in Washington state and women are being kept down.........
oh wait.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)either let a bunch of men go or arrest a lot of women to eliminate the gender imbalance caused by the . . er . . um patriarchy.
Likewise thousands of women need to be kicked out of their homes so we can get the homeless population to a roughly 50/50 mix.
Oh and suicide hotlines should stop taking calls from girls/women until suicides are roughly on par.
Equality shouldn't mean taking the good and leaving the bad.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)When we let murderers out to make room for pot smokers, we have a problem, I don't care what gender they are.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)to create this imbalance?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The news talks about "the bank robber and his accomplice"
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)But that's a complete non sequitur, it has nothing to do with the article.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The answer is, you dont. The goose gets itself out.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Response to trumad (Reply #15)
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Robble Robble Robble.
Upton
(9,709 posts)good block Warren, but I have a sneaking suspicion that's exactly what he wanted.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)There's no group that would put up with that sort of thing. None.
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opiate69
(10,129 posts)Never have I encounteted someone so impressed with themself, yet with so little to be impressed with.
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Upton This message was self-deleted by its author.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....yet I was banned from the Meta thread because I called him what he's proud to admit he is.
Oh well.
Upton
(9,709 posts)you have that particular poster down..
"Never have I encountered someone so impressed with themself, yet with so little to be impressed with."
I've been thinking exactly the same thing for years..
opiate69
(10,129 posts)you always handled him pretty well... in the face of the most juvenile shit being thrown at you. Cheers
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)The problem I have with some feminists who make gender privilege arguments is inevitably the only thing they want to talk about is equal outcome rather than equal opportunity. I'm a firm believer in equal opportunity. In fact, I'm quite passionate about the subject. I don't believe in equal outcome. The radical feminist argument regarding equal outcome is that the only difference between men and women is the plumbing. So all we have to do is completely reorder western society, make all gender roles neutral, and magically we will have equal outcome. That's why they only want to talk about outcome, rather than opportunity. To them, there is no difference. It's important to remember that this argument enjoys very little credibility outside the womens study departments of a few universities. As such I don't see much point in entertaining arguments that are built on that foundation.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)who reflexively pals up with the likes of Ed Meese and Judith Reisman and Donald "He Restoreth Me" Hilton in their "put some clothes on and stop fucking, young lady!" agenda.
Cayenne
(480 posts)Schools for at least the last two decades have unsuccessfully tried to increase female STEMS. Failing that the feminists want to use Title IX to cut down the number of male STEMS to match the overall university makeup which is typically 60% female. The economy will be devastated by the lack of STEMS entering the workforce. That's male privilege I suppose. Somehow the lack of male nurses and educators is not a crisis though.
Mosby
(17,454 posts)I had not heard of Ozy's law before, seems like a very robust concept.