Actually, my wife recently took some pole dancing classes... she said it was one of the best workout routines she`s ever done, especially for the "core" muscles. And while their recital was somewhat sensual, the dances were a beautiful display of grace and athleticism as well.

No woman would make such decisions ON HER OWN.

being proud of her body. Which means she didn't really consent to this picture. Which means anyone looking at it is basically a peeping tom, probably a rapist too.

Real women hate the way they look and are ashamed of their appearance.

if we can find one..they appear to be swiftly becoming an endangered species, particularly outside of DU.

How dare this woman be proud of her body and sexuality. I mean, doesn't she realize that agents of the "patriarchy" are gazing upon her with lust in their hearts?

She needs to be reeducated with 2nd wave dogma ...sex is bad, mkay?

It's not the Pole that is Patriarchal but the idea that only Women can work-out with it and that women do it for men's entertainment. Same is true for belly dancing. Either sex can do it and it's not provocative, sexual, exploitative if it's done for personal exercise without an audience.

for them, handing over her sexuality.

look at the posts on this thread. this woman puts on a two piece cause her friend made it.

that is all

now, read the posts from the men who flip it to her sexuality and it is ALL about entertaining them.

yes

there is a difference.

I've seen no one here asking to be "entertained" by her. Really fucking offensive when you lie like this.

shocked that you would use such a sexist word!

Wrong again....she put on a two piece suit because her friend made it, and then took a picture of herself wearing it and posted it on her public twitter account, pretty much seeking an audience, which your buddy there claims is somehow mens` fault.

And then, people look at it, and admire it.

And everyone is happy, except the people whom the whole exchange invariably pisses off.

oh wait... whomever made shit up for this thread.

a woman wears a two piece a friend made and shows it off.

wow.... horrible.

you men on the thread made her into your little sex toy and them gave it to other women. your creation of make believe.

And I do think you're way off into projection-land.

Do you understand how twitter works?

if they find her attractive?

Something that doesn't involve turning her in to a sex toy, in your words. Or objectifying her. Or committing ocular rape.

I understand if you can't come up with an answer.

apparently want to hear.

That's part of the reason I shut down the other thread; because in addition to the fact that in my searches of DU2 I saw the ground had been extensively covered already, but also because it's incredibly apparent that, on a topic like that, if you do anything BUT NNYD to the whole thing, immediately you're, you know, defending elevator rape. And- this is rich- apparently just a "split hair away" from being an elevator rapist, yourself.



So, fuck that noise. I mean, really, enough. So my final words are in that thread if anyone cares to ACTUALLY read my thoughts on the subject; because time and time again, it has been proven that if this group does something like have universal agreement on a statement like "Daniel Tosh's rape joke was not okay", someone will immediately be off in another corner of DU saying

"WHY ARE THEY JUSTIFYING DANIEL TOSH'S RAPE JOKE IN THE MENS GROUP???"

"Suck on that f----ts,"

again... read your OP and the article you posted and then claimed outrage. now you provide an article with more garbage. i was making a statement to your actual OP you posted. go figure.

then it was pointed out that other people were indeed pissed off about this picture.

Can you acknowledge that your statement was incorrect in light of empirical evidence showing it to be false?

Don't know how seabeyond defines that, but I'm guessing if it didn't pass her Google filter, that's what it is.

as she flat out refuses to answer any question I pose to her.

Likely she is upset that people didn't just agree with her and will retreat to the HoF forum where dissenting views are quickly removed.

Was surprised when she started in on me.

and perpetuate the rape culture.

If I want to stare or gaze at posts in utter confusion, trying to parse a coherent thread that explains why one would have made it in the first place, it is my law given right.

What does the slur have to do with what you're babbling about? You went from "defending" her to slamming her now?

She uses a stripper pole as a training tool, and I satirized it, minus any demand to watch her perform or making any sexual comments about her. I didn't even post that picture.

I suppose if I wanted to get over satirically with you, I should have advocated mass murder or castration or something.

Consider that an official warning.

Double for the sex toy comment later on.

What if they LIKE entertaining, or even -gasp!- turning on other people?

What then?

Oh, right, they're not allowed to, or they don't *really* like to; they've just been brainwashed to think they do.

And nowhere, anywhere, does it say only women can work out with a pole.