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Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 08:29 AM Aug 2013

Girls commit dating violence as often as boys, studies show

Girls are the perpetrators of some form of dating violence nearly as often as boys, surprising new studies show.

More girls – 43 percent – than boys – 28 percent – reported committing an act of physical dating violence, said researchers who are presenting their findings beginning Wednesday at the American Psychological Association’s annual meeting. Slightly more boys – 23 percent – than girls – 18 percent – reported perpetrating at least one act of sexual violence.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/girls-commit-dating-violence-often-boys-studies-show-6C10809607
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Girls commit dating violence as often as boys, studies show (Original Post) Major Nikon Aug 2013 OP
You might want to post the spectrum of violence covered intaglio Aug 2013 #1
The study isn't about men or women Major Nikon Aug 2013 #2
You are reporting that women are as violent as men in the conventional sense of violence intaglio Aug 2013 #3
I reported no such thing Major Nikon Aug 2013 #7
What is the title of your thread? intaglio Aug 2013 #16
I addressed that in post 13, snookums. (right below this, interestingly enough)... go read... opiate69 Aug 2013 #18
"expected definition" Major Nikon Aug 2013 #20
Reading comprehension.. might want to bone up... opiate69 Aug 2013 #13
"in the conventional sense of violence" lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #15
Women 18-28 more frequently commit relationship violence. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #19
Ah, so emotional abuse is only actually abuse if the victim is female? opiate69 Aug 2013 #4
I did not say that, do not put words in my mouth intaglio Aug 2013 #5
The reasoning was explained in the article... opiate69 Aug 2013 #6
And that makes the OP lack any responsibility for what he posts? intaglio Aug 2013 #9
It's an article from NBC news Major Nikon Aug 2013 #14
You've been trying to put words in my mouth Major Nikon Aug 2013 #8
No the word "Violence" is your OP title intaglio Aug 2013 #10
It was quoted directly from the article title Major Nikon Aug 2013 #11
It's the title of the actual article, verbatim ffs.. opiate69 Aug 2013 #12
I see little debate that men stalking, controlling, and verbally abusing qualifies as violence lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #17
Those behaviors are clearly abusive no matter who engages in them. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #22
Absolutely true. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #23
I agree that domestic violence, regardless of the gender of the abuser or abusee, shouldn't nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #25
15% explained. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #27
"...the woman was the perpetrator in 70% of those cases." That in particular is really striking. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #28
The study said that nonreciprocally violent relationships were less likely to involve injury. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #29
Whether or not women are a violent as men - which by many definitions of "violence" they aren't - nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #21
"Violence" need not be in scare quotes. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #24
"It would be more effective to interrupt the violence at... a point at which no one needs nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #26
Not exactly on topic, but close methinks. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #30

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
1. You might want to post the spectrum of violence covered
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 08:45 AM
Aug 2013
The study looked at a spectrum of behaviors, ranging from name calling and expressing anger, spreading rumors, and using controlling behaviors such as keeping track of dating partners, to physical violence such as slapping, hitting and biting, and sexual violence including forced kissing. Taken as a whole, one in three reported being the victim of at least one of the behaviors on that spectrum.
Emphasis mine

Absolutely terrifying if you are a man and it really shows how hard done by men are



Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
2. The study isn't about men or women
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 08:57 AM
Aug 2013

For her study, Dorothy Espelage, professor of educational psychology at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and her colleagues conducted a longitudinal study among 625 students starting in grades 5, 6, and 7, and followed them over a period of four years. Researchers interviewed the students at intervals over that time.

While most of us may not rank name-calling, or bad-mouthing another to their friends as “violence,” the researchers say they included the psychological and relationship tactics because they can have a profound impact.

“We see in other research that the psychological stuff has just as much of a negative impact on health outcomes as the physical and sexual” violence, said Carlos Cuevas, associate professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Northeastern University, who is also presenting a study on youth dating violence at meeting.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
3. You are reporting that women are as violent as men in the conventional sense of violence
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:22 AM
Aug 2013

This is garbage as simple reading of your source article shows.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
16. What is the title of your thread?
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 03:35 PM
Aug 2013

I quote

Girls commit dating violence as often as boys, studies show
but you do not report for some, curious reason, what the study meant by violence which is way outside the expected definition.
 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
18. I addressed that in post 13, snookums. (right below this, interestingly enough)... go read...
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 04:30 PM
Aug 2013

You might learn something.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
20. "expected definition"
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 07:13 PM
Aug 2013
You are reporting that women are as violent as men in the conventional sense of violence
(emphasis mine)


wom·an
[woom-uhn] Show IPA noun, plural wom·en [wim-in] verb, adjective
noun
1. the female human being (distinguished from man ).
2. an adult female person.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/women


man
1 [man] plural men, verb, manned, man·ning, interjection
noun
1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/man



vi·o·lence
[vahy-uh-luhns]
noun
1.swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
2.rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.
3.an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws: to take over a government by violence.
4.a violent act or proceeding.
5.rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language: the violence of his hatred.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/violence

More girls – 43 percent – than boys – 28 percent – reported committing an act of physical dating violence, said researchers who are presenting their findings beginning Wednesday at the American Psychological Association’s annual meeting.

...

The study looked at a spectrum of behaviors, ranging from name calling and expressing anger, spreading rumors, and using controlling behaviors such as keeping track of dating partners, to physical violence such as slapping, hitting and biting...

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/girls-commit-dating-violence-often-boys-studies-show-6C10809607








 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
13. Reading comprehension.. might want to bone up...
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:24 AM
Aug 2013

The article says nothing of the sort about "conventional" violence. It specifically refers to Dating violence, which just happens to be the accepted term for "domestic" violence situations, involving unmarried teenagers. (Domestic violence is generally accepted to refer to adult couples, married or not, usually co-habitating.)

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
15. "in the conventional sense of violence"
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:40 PM
Aug 2013

That "conventional sense" is the stereotype that this study (and several before it) should disprove.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
19. Women 18-28 more frequently commit relationship violence.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:15 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

Methods. We analyzed data on young US adults aged 18 to 28 years from the 2001 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which contained information about partner violence and injury reported by 11 370 respondents on 18761 heterosexual relationships.

Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women (adjusted odds ratio [AOR]=2.3; 95% confidence interval [CI]=1.9, 2.8), but not men (AOR=1.26; 95% CI=0.9, 1.7). Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 95% CI=1.1, 1.5), and reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal intimate partner violence regardless of the gender of the perpetrator (AOR=4.4; 95% CI=3.6, 5.5).


For the math challenged, this means that among couples with IPV, women either inflict it unilaterally or participate reciprocally in 85% of cases. Furthermore, she's more likely to be injured when they are engaged in reciprocal combat.
 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
4. Ah, so emotional abuse is only actually abuse if the victim is female?
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:27 AM
Aug 2013

How positively enlightened of you.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
5. I did not say that, do not put words in my mouth
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:47 AM
Aug 2013

I responded to the inappropriate use of the word violence in the OP.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
6. The reasoning was explained in the article...
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:55 AM
Aug 2013

While most of us may not rank name-calling, or bad-mouthing another to their friends as “violence,” the researchers say they included the psychological and relationship tactics because they can have a profound impact.

“We see in other research that the psychological stuff has just as much of a negative impact on health outcomes as the physical and sexual” violence, said Carlos Cuevas, associate professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Northeastern University...

Further, the CDC classifies it as such as well.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/pub-res/ipv_surveillance/11_section34.htm

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
14. It's an article from NBC news
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:44 AM
Aug 2013

How much responsibility were you expecting? Or are you simply more intent on being argumentative rather than substantive with your allegations?

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
12. It's the title of the actual article, verbatim ffs..
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:08 AM
Aug 2013

Look, let's make this simple ... do you agree or disagree with the Center for Disease Control's classification of emotional abuse as a form of domestic violence??

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
17. I see little debate that men stalking, controlling, and verbally abusing qualifies as violence
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 04:03 PM
Aug 2013

Do you dispute that those things are abusive and contribute to a cycle of violence?

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
22. Those behaviors are clearly abusive no matter who engages in them.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 05:57 PM
Aug 2013

And I don't doubt that domestic abuse, in cases where it isn't one-sided, very often is cyclical. Which doesn't change the fact that a woman is statistically far more likely than a man to be put in the hospital, or murdered, by an opposite-sex partner. Some of this is simple biology, i.e. the fact that men on average are larger and stronger, and some is societal factors such as men being more likely to own firearms.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
23. Absolutely true.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 08:14 PM
Aug 2013

Which brings into focus why it is so important to interrupt and treat the cycle of violence and not simply prosecute when that cycle of reciprocal violence escalates into injury to her.

Only 15% of domestic violence is solvable by the methods we use to deal with it.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
25. I agree that domestic violence, regardless of the gender of the abuser or abusee, shouldn't
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 11:02 PM
Aug 2013

be tolerated. Even supposedly "minor" situations should be nipped in the bud, if at all possible, before they escalate.

I'm not sure about your 15% figure - though I have no particular reason not to believe it - but DV is a notoriously (with good reason) hard to treat problem. Given especially how abuse of all kinds runs in families, and how children from abusive backgrounds are more likely to reproduce both too early and with the wrong person.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
27. 15% explained.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 11:42 PM
Aug 2013

Of the 18,000 young adult relationships studied, the researchers found that 24% had some violence, and 49.7% of those violent relationships were reciprocal. Of the relationships in which nonreciprocal violence was present, the woman was the perpetrator in 70% of those cases.

From there, it's just arithmetic. Only 15% of violent relationships fit the nonreciprocal wife-beater stereotype around which all DV intervention programs are predicated.

They also found that injury was far more likely in reciprocally violent relationships.

The study concluded thusly:

Conclusions. The context of the violence (reciprocal vs nonreciprocal) is a strong predictor of reported injury. Prevention approaches that address the escalation of partner violence may be needed to address reciprocal violence.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
28. "...the woman was the perpetrator in 70% of those cases." That in particular is really striking.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 12:19 AM
Aug 2013

Maybe it shows how ingrained the "never hit a girl" taboo (which I would normally consider a good thing) is for many young men.

The thing is though, even if "[o]nly 15% of violent relationships fit the nonreciprocal wife-beater stereotype," those relationships most likely account for a vastly disproportionate number of serious injuries and deaths, for both the reasons I've previously listed - physical size/strength advantage, gun ownership - and others. I'm only speculating on a justification though, because ultimately I agree that our society's and legal system's response to DV thus far has been utterly inadequate on more levels than one. Though admittedly, I have no real solutions to offer there.

And while it's clear that demonizing men as a group, when a minority of their gender commit highly disproportionate levels of violence and abuse, does little to help matters, it's also clear that that segment of the male population - which exists among all races, social classes, etc. - is very dangerous to both women and other men, and must be dealt with as a dire social problem.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
29. The study said that nonreciprocally violent relationships were less likely to involve injury.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 05:01 AM
Aug 2013

...regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.

Reciprocally violent relationships are the ones most likely to result in injury. Death? I dunno. I doubt that a sample size of 18,000 relationships would be enough to identify anything meaningful about homicide.

Personally, I think that the near-complete absence of "men and children" shelters is responsible for a large share of the IPV in this country. The fact that violent women know that he has nowhere to go, and that she has complete and unilateral control of his children is an enabling factor.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
21. Whether or not women are a violent as men - which by many definitions of "violence" they aren't -
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 05:49 PM
Aug 2013

I don't think anyone can deny that we have a serious problem with relationship violence, and with violence period, in this country. But just as I believe that all men shouldn't be blamed for the actions of some, I think it's also important to acknowledge the often disparate forms which male and female "violence" take. After all, it's still true that women are killed or seriously injured by male partners far more often than the reverse. Which isn't the whole picture, by any means, but certainly an essential part of it.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
24. "Violence" need not be in scare quotes.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 08:37 PM
Aug 2013

Violence is bad mostly because it triggers escalating retaliatory violence. It is certainly true (and studies show this) that the retaliatory violence is more harmful to women than the stereotype of the unilaterally abusive man.

It would be more effective to interrupt the violence at the source, a point at which no one needs to go to jail.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
26. "It would be more effective to interrupt the violence at... a point at which no one needs
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 11:08 PM
Aug 2013

to go to jail." Agree completely on that. And I only used the scare quotes because I was kind of splitting hairs between types or levels of violence, which logically I probably shouldn't - firstly, psychological abuse can be just as damaging in its own way as physical abuse, and secondly, physically violent DV situations typically start as arguments and escalate from there.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
30. Not exactly on topic, but close methinks.
Fri Aug 9, 2013, 11:44 PM
Aug 2013

.
.
.

The only person who has assaulted me in the last 30 years was a woman.

As I was leaving a heated conversation, she kicked me in the ass, then as I continued retreating,

she body-slammed me from behind forcefully enough to knock me face down on the ground.

Her friends dragged her off of me as she tried to beat me further,

and retrieving my glasses which had been knocked off.

Women can be unreasonably violent too.

VERY!

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