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Related: About this forumGirls commit dating violence as often as boys, studies show
More girls 43 percent than boys 28 percent reported committing an act of physical dating violence, said researchers who are presenting their findings beginning Wednesday at the American Psychological Associations annual meeting. Slightly more boys 23 percent than girls 18 percent reported perpetrating at least one act of sexual violence.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/girls-commit-dating-violence-often-boys-studies-show-6C10809607
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Emphasis mine
Absolutely terrifying if you are a man and it really shows how hard done by men are
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)For her study, Dorothy Espelage, professor of educational psychology at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and her colleagues conducted a longitudinal study among 625 students starting in grades 5, 6, and 7, and followed them over a period of four years. Researchers interviewed the students at intervals over that time.
While most of us may not rank name-calling, or bad-mouthing another to their friends as violence, the researchers say they included the psychological and relationship tactics because they can have a profound impact.
We see in other research that the psychological stuff has just as much of a negative impact on health outcomes as the physical and sexual violence, said Carlos Cuevas, associate professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Northeastern University, who is also presenting a study on youth dating violence at meeting.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)This is garbage as simple reading of your source article shows.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)I quote
opiate69
(10,129 posts)You might learn something.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)wom·an
[woom-uhn] Show IPA noun, plural wom·en [wim-in] verb, adjective
noun
1. the female human being (distinguished from man ).
2. an adult female person.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/women
1 [man] plural men, verb, manned, man·ning, interjection
noun
1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/man
vi·o·lence
[vahy-uh-luhns]
noun
1.swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
2.rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.
3.an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws: to take over a government by violence.
4.a violent act or proceeding.
5.rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language: the violence of his hatred.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/violence
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The study looked at a spectrum of behaviors, ranging from name calling and expressing anger, spreading rumors, and using controlling behaviors such as keeping track of dating partners, to physical violence such as slapping, hitting and biting...
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/girls-commit-dating-violence-often-boys-studies-show-6C10809607
opiate69
(10,129 posts)The article says nothing of the sort about "conventional" violence. It specifically refers to Dating violence, which just happens to be the accepted term for "domestic" violence situations, involving unmarried teenagers. (Domestic violence is generally accepted to refer to adult couples, married or not, usually co-habitating.)
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)That "conventional sense" is the stereotype that this study (and several before it) should disprove.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women (adjusted odds ratio [AOR]=2.3; 95% confidence interval [CI]=1.9, 2.8), but not men (AOR=1.26; 95% CI=0.9, 1.7). Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 95% CI=1.1, 1.5), and reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal intimate partner violence regardless of the gender of the perpetrator (AOR=4.4; 95% CI=3.6, 5.5).
For the math challenged, this means that among couples with IPV, women either inflict it unilaterally or participate reciprocally in 85% of cases. Furthermore, she's more likely to be injured when they are engaged in reciprocal combat.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)How positively enlightened of you.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)I responded to the inappropriate use of the word violence in the OP.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)While most of us may not rank name-calling, or bad-mouthing another to their friends as violence, the researchers say they included the psychological and relationship tactics because they can have a profound impact.
We see in other research that the psychological stuff has just as much of a negative impact on health outcomes as the physical and sexual violence, said Carlos Cuevas, associate professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Northeastern University...
Further, the CDC classifies it as such as well.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/pub-res/ipv_surveillance/11_section34.htm
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Have fun with that idea.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)How much responsibility were you expecting? Or are you simply more intent on being argumentative rather than substantive with your allegations?
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Seems disingenuous to cry foul now.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)If you did not mean to use that word, edit it.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)If you didn't understand it, read the article.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Look, let's make this simple ... do you agree or disagree with the Center for Disease Control's classification of emotional abuse as a form of domestic violence??
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Do you dispute that those things are abusive and contribute to a cycle of violence?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And I don't doubt that domestic abuse, in cases where it isn't one-sided, very often is cyclical. Which doesn't change the fact that a woman is statistically far more likely than a man to be put in the hospital, or murdered, by an opposite-sex partner. Some of this is simple biology, i.e. the fact that men on average are larger and stronger, and some is societal factors such as men being more likely to own firearms.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Which brings into focus why it is so important to interrupt and treat the cycle of violence and not simply prosecute when that cycle of reciprocal violence escalates into injury to her.
Only 15% of domestic violence is solvable by the methods we use to deal with it.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)be tolerated. Even supposedly "minor" situations should be nipped in the bud, if at all possible, before they escalate.
I'm not sure about your 15% figure - though I have no particular reason not to believe it - but DV is a notoriously (with good reason) hard to treat problem. Given especially how abuse of all kinds runs in families, and how children from abusive backgrounds are more likely to reproduce both too early and with the wrong person.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Of the 18,000 young adult relationships studied, the researchers found that 24% had some violence, and 49.7% of those violent relationships were reciprocal. Of the relationships in which nonreciprocal violence was present, the woman was the perpetrator in 70% of those cases.
From there, it's just arithmetic. Only 15% of violent relationships fit the nonreciprocal wife-beater stereotype around which all DV intervention programs are predicated.
They also found that injury was far more likely in reciprocally violent relationships.
The study concluded thusly:
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Maybe it shows how ingrained the "never hit a girl" taboo (which I would normally consider a good thing) is for many young men.
The thing is though, even if "[o]nly 15% of violent relationships fit the nonreciprocal wife-beater stereotype," those relationships most likely account for a vastly disproportionate number of serious injuries and deaths, for both the reasons I've previously listed - physical size/strength advantage, gun ownership - and others. I'm only speculating on a justification though, because ultimately I agree that our society's and legal system's response to DV thus far has been utterly inadequate on more levels than one. Though admittedly, I have no real solutions to offer there.
And while it's clear that demonizing men as a group, when a minority of their gender commit highly disproportionate levels of violence and abuse, does little to help matters, it's also clear that that segment of the male population - which exists among all races, social classes, etc. - is very dangerous to both women and other men, and must be dealt with as a dire social problem.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)...regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.
Reciprocally violent relationships are the ones most likely to result in injury. Death? I dunno. I doubt that a sample size of 18,000 relationships would be enough to identify anything meaningful about homicide.
Personally, I think that the near-complete absence of "men and children" shelters is responsible for a large share of the IPV in this country. The fact that violent women know that he has nowhere to go, and that she has complete and unilateral control of his children is an enabling factor.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I don't think anyone can deny that we have a serious problem with relationship violence, and with violence period, in this country. But just as I believe that all men shouldn't be blamed for the actions of some, I think it's also important to acknowledge the often disparate forms which male and female "violence" take. After all, it's still true that women are killed or seriously injured by male partners far more often than the reverse. Which isn't the whole picture, by any means, but certainly an essential part of it.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Violence is bad mostly because it triggers escalating retaliatory violence. It is certainly true (and studies show this) that the retaliatory violence is more harmful to women than the stereotype of the unilaterally abusive man.
It would be more effective to interrupt the violence at the source, a point at which no one needs to go to jail.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)to go to jail." Agree completely on that. And I only used the scare quotes because I was kind of splitting hairs between types or levels of violence, which logically I probably shouldn't - firstly, psychological abuse can be just as damaging in its own way as physical abuse, and secondly, physically violent DV situations typically start as arguments and escalate from there.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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The only person who has assaulted me in the last 30 years was a woman.
As I was leaving a heated conversation, she kicked me in the ass, then as I continued retreating,
she body-slammed me from behind forcefully enough to knock me face down on the ground.
Her friends dragged her off of me as she tried to beat me further,
and retrieving my glasses which had been knocked off.
Women can be unreasonably violent too.
VERY!
CC