Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

question everything

(48,671 posts)
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:35 PM Dec 2018

A surprise tax bill?

The 2017 tax overhaul made major changes to the code, such as limiting the deduction for state and local taxes and greatly expanding the tax credit for children under 17. The Treasury Department required employers and pension payers to lower withholding for 2018. This change allowed taxpayers to get the benefits of lower rates right away.

The problem here is that the broad-brush withholding changes don’t accurately reflect each individual’s situation. Some people who have counted on a large tax refund in the past to pay bills for holiday spending or big-ticket items will find they won’t get one.

After the changes, the Internal Revenue Service posted a calculator to help people fine-tune their withholding or estimated taxes. But only a few million filers have used it, and more than 150 million individual returns are expected for 2018.

The IRS recently warned that the number of filers who owe tax or penalties for 2018 is likely to be larger than in recent years, adding that “many of them are likely to be people who have always gotten refunds.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/seven-new-years-tax-resolutions-for-2019-11545993002 (paid subscription)

7 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
1. I had to adjust MY withholding
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:21 AM
Dec 2018

The new withholding was so tight that credit union interest was pushing me into potentially owing the IRS.

Snarkoleptic

(6,024 posts)
2. Mrs. Snark is an acccountant and reviewed our situation at mid-year.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:38 AM
Dec 2018

I increased my withholdings as it appeared we were going to have a swing of around $4.000 (to the bad).
It will be interesting to see the MAGA crowd lose their shit when realizing they've been played.

Yonnie3

(18,044 posts)
4. I've done a first pass on my Federal tax and no surprises
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 02:15 PM
Dec 2018

I do an IRA withdrawal at year end and send most of it to the Federal Government. I don't send estimated payments so I avoid under withholding penalties.

I file with the standard deduction (increased for my age) and a schedule C (embarrassingly small this year) and have retirement and investment income as well. I owe a smaller amount this year as a percentage. I haven't figured out how much is due to the decrease in taxable Social Security and how much is due to the tax law changes. I do seem to be eligible for the 20% deduction for self-employed.

I had to laugh at the short 1040. I found I needed to add all but one of the schedules to the return to replace the missing lines. I still file paper because I've had issues with every tax software I've used. Issues were with having a non-taxable basis in my IRA (form 8606) and with the circular math involved in splitting health insurance premiums between the ACA and the self employed health insurance deduction.

I do personal taxes for myself, extended family members, and a sole proprietorship that grosses six figures so not all of the issues I've had with tax software were on my personal return.

Tax payers losing itemized deductions may indeed have a bigger tax bill.

question everything

(48,671 posts)
5. Not so much the itemized deductions, I think that we can still do that
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 02:33 PM
Dec 2018

it is the exemptions - $4,000 a person - that increase out tax bill, especially after selling some stocks. Assuming Sch. D and the worksheet for dividends stay the same.

Yonnie3

(18,044 posts)
6. For some it is the itemized deductions that will hurt as well
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 02:49 PM
Dec 2018

I have no claimable dependents other than myself so I didn't think of the exemptions, my bad.

The limit on State and Local Taxes Deduction (SALT) will hurt some in high tax states.

https://www.thebalance.com/new-tax-bill-itemized-deductions-4160594 is just one of many articles on the web about this.

question everything

(48,671 posts)
7. That's true. Won't affect us but it will many
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

many in district where their (former) R member of Congress voted against his and her constituent. Exhibit A - Orange County, CA.

Latest Discussions»Culture Forums»Personal Finance and Investing»A surprise tax bill?