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Quixote1818

(29,865 posts)
Mon Jul 3, 2023, 11:33 AM Jul 2023

The average family pays $155,000 in Wall Street fees on their 401K. Why Index Funds are much better

I recommend going to around the 21-minute mark of the video where they start dissecting these mutual funds to find all the hidden fees then plug them into a compound interest calculator. Over time they can erode over 2/3rds of what you would have made without the fees. Getting a fee only fiduciary is probably a good idea to help you look into to how you can move your money out of mutual funds and into index funds.

This is information everyone should pass on to there kids and grandkids. Don't let Wall Street rip you off for hundreds of thousands!

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The average family pays $155,000 in Wall Street fees on their 401K. Why Index Funds are much better (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2023 OP
I have just completed liquidating my IRAs and re-organizing my estate. Yes, I had to pay in2herbs Jul 2023 #1
Wow Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #2
Nothing beats a few thou of growth stocks in a Roth IRA in your 20s bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #3
I have a PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2023 #4

in2herbs

(3,025 posts)
1. I have just completed liquidating my IRAs and re-organizing my estate. Yes, I had to pay
Mon Jul 3, 2023, 12:40 PM
Jul 2023

a s***tload of money to do this but my estate is no longer subject to whims of Wall Street investors, fiduciary fees, etc. It took a while to figure out how to accomplish it, but my estate is not subject to Trust rules or probate, ensuring that every charity I wish to leave my money to will not only get the full amount I have left to them, but the disbursement will be expedited because there is no Trust or probate to impede the distribution. My worth is mid-seven figures.

This deep dive into how I could accomplish this truly exposed to me the farce that Congress is feeding us about the middle class putting money in an IRA for retirement. IRAs may be the solution to some, but if you have no human beneficiaries to your estate the path must be forged alone.

But, I persisted. HRC would be proud!!

bucolic_frolic

(45,600 posts)
3. Nothing beats a few thou of growth stocks in a Roth IRA in your 20s
Tue Jul 4, 2023, 07:46 AM
Jul 2023

Each generation has them. McDonalds 1968, Intel, Micron Apple 1990, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Home Depot, TSLA et al. They grow and split, and grow again.

Paying mutual funds to diversify and manage is for the benefit of the fund managers and not you. They are leeches.

Yes there are low cost index funds, but there is concentration risk with that strategy because they all own the same stocks.

Beware even if you use a stockbroker, they can charge up front 3% or more. At least there isn't the yearly churn.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,105 posts)
4. I have a
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 01:11 AM
Nov 2023

financial advisor. I suppose he costs me money, but what he's done for me has been well worth it. I could not have possibly gotten the same returns on my own. He spends his working day looking at and analyzing, everything in the stock market. Every quarter we have a phone conversation, where he explains to me what's going on with my account, what he's doing with my investments.

Among the things he's done is to get me into two annuities, that I'm currently taking money from. They give me stable income, along with a small pension and my Social Security. I also take money from the investment account. I have a decent, reasonable income, close to the median income where I live. I do live frugally, and can afford what I want. I get to do various things, such as attending science fiction conventions (hooray!) or taking the train to Kansas City to visit my sister there.

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