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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:33 AM Nov 2015

PhDs need real jobs too

Leonard Cassuto
People who study for doctorates in the arts and sciences are typically driven by love — for a particular historical period, author or field of inquiry. But graduate school isn't just a place to dive into 18th century novels, Medieval art or neurobiology. It's also, necessarily, a place to prepare for a career.

Most graduate programs encourage their students to set their sights on jobs teaching or conducting research at a college or university. They also endorse the notion, whether intentionally or not, that taking a position outside of the professoriate is some kind of failure.

That's insanity. It takes nine years on average for students to obtain a doctorate in the humanities, and the sciences are almost as bad. At the end of that long process, students encounter a job market for professors that is a mostly dry well. Only about half of doctoral candidates in the arts and sciences will eventually obtain jobs as college and university instructors. An increasing number of those openings are short-term gigs, many less than a year long, with no promise of future employment.

Even the lucky graduate students who secure a tenure-track position are likely to find a mismatch between their training and their future job requirements. As students, they learn how to become research specialists. But most professors spend most of their time teaching. Only a sliver of the doctorate population gets top-tier, research-first jobs.

We would hardly expect a modern journalism school to have a single-minded focus on print newspapers. Yes, there are still jobs to be had at newspapers, but only a small fraction of the number that there once were. A single-minded focus on professorships — on research-dominated professorships in particular — is just as irrational.

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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1130-cassuto-academic-job-market-20151130-story.html

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PhDs need real jobs too (Original Post) n2doc Nov 2015 OP
Bookmarking to read later. geardaddy Nov 2015 #1
I think my daughter has the right idea. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #2
One of the many reasons I withdrew from my PhD program... DeadLetterOffice Nov 2015 #3
well, the important thing is that the state budgets are smaller, there's less jobs overall, MisterP Nov 2015 #4

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
2. I think my daughter has the right idea.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:48 AM
Nov 2015

She's starting on her MBA next fall. She's working full time and her employer is partially funding her degree. She worked out the detail before applying to school, if she wasn't going to get funding then she'd of figured out another way to go for the MBA.

I think colleges & universities oversell the potential of a masters & doctorates degree. My wife has a masters in architecture, her cousin has a masters in library science. Both degrees qualified them for jobs a buck over minimum wage to start (back then). The degree programs benefit the professors and institutions, not the students. Then you become a slave to the lending institutions.

At least if you become a medical doctor you can sell a kidney to pay off your loans.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
3. One of the many reasons I withdrew from my PhD program...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:12 AM
Nov 2015

... was the realization that I wouldn't actually be able to find a job teaching in my discipline in my geographical area.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. well, the important thing is that the state budgets are smaller, there's less jobs overall,
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:52 PM
Nov 2015

and the rentier class has the money for a second wine cellar in their new McMansion 20 miles away from their work

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