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elleng

(136,108 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:30 PM May 2016

4 Things Worse than Not Learning to Read in Kindergarten

'The year Sam started kindergarten, he turned 6 in October. He was one of the oldest children in his class, and he didn’t know how to read. When he started first grade he was almost 7, and he still didn’t know how to read. Fortunately for Sam, he entered first grade in 1999. And his teachers, Mrs. Gantt and Mrs. Floyd, didn’t panic if a child didn’t learn to read in kindergarten. In fact, they expected that most children would learn to read in first grade. (They also supported and encouraged children who learned to read easily in kindergarten, like Sam’s brother Ben.)

If Sam had started first grade this year, however, he probably would have been labelled as “slow” or “behind.” Because the new standard is that children should learn to read in kindergarten. Even though most educators know that many children aren’t ready to learn to read until first grade. Even though countries like Finland educate kindergarteners by allowing them to play, not teaching them to academic skills. And even though the new standard causes teachers, parents and even children themselves to worry that something is “wrong” if children aren’t reading when they arrive in the first grade classroom.

But guess what? Sam wasn’t “slow” or “behind,” and neither are most of the other children who don’t read in kindergarten. Sam became a fair reader by the end of first grade, and a good reader by third grade. By the time he reached high school he was an honors student. And last weekend, he graduated from college - with a 3.93 grade point average.

So what happens when education standards require that children like Sam learn to read in kindergarten and that teachers like Mrs. Gantt and Mrs. Floyd had better make it happen? Many educators say the result is ineffective and counterproductive classroom practices. Which means that many children actually learn and retain less than they would in a developmentally-appropriate kindergarten classroom.'>>>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gaye-groover-christmus/4-things-worse-than-not-l_b_9985028.html

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4 Things Worse than Not Learning to Read in Kindergarten (Original Post) elleng May 2016 OP
I loved Kindergarten in 1955-56 TexasProgresive May 2016 #1
I'm going to say that being stuffed into a body bag is worse Victor_c3 May 2016 #2
I don't think it's necessary to bring such to this Group. elleng May 2016 #3
You are right Victor_c3 May 2016 #6
Thanks for the apology. elleng May 2016 #7
Hey, I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong. Victor_c3 May 2016 #15
Darn right! elleng May 2016 #16
Learning to read in kindergarten is unnecessary. virgogal May 2016 #4
Some children aren't ready to read in kindergarten and others are. The adults shouldn't stress. Shrike47 May 2016 #5
My oldest son didn't learn to read until well into second grade. SheilaT May 2016 #8
We all develop at a different rate. Enthusiast May 2016 #10
We didn't even have kindergarten where I grew up as a child in Ohio. Enthusiast May 2016 #9
I didn't go to kindergarten either... ReRe May 2016 #17
You could expand your story into an interesting novel, ReRe. Enthusiast May 2016 #20
My family's trying to get me to do that. ;-) eom ReRe May 2016 #22
I bet you could do it! Enthusiast May 2016 #24
JUST REMEMBERED the NAME, McGuffey Readers, elleng May 2016 #19
I remember the McGuffy Readers! I believe they are a valuable collectible today. Enthusiast May 2016 #21
The US should emulate Finland in education because it has been proven effective. Enthusiast May 2016 #11
Our Rapepublican friends would never allow ideas on schooling from pinko countries like Finland here forest444 May 2016 #18
True that. Enthusiast May 2016 #23
Pretty sure I was reading before Kindergarten... Wounded Bear May 2016 #12
Denmark shadowmayor May 2016 #13
My children started school in Austria. JDPriestly May 2016 #14

TexasProgresive

(12,294 posts)
1. I loved Kindergarten in 1955-56
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:57 PM
May 2016

I already was reading at around age 4. Nobody taught me I just wanted to have access to the stories whenever I wanted. Kindergarten was a blast, except for naps. We played, learning to use our hands and imaginations with clay, paints, crayons and other crafty stuff.

1st grade was not so much fun for me because of reading. I was reading several grade levels above the Dick and Jane and Spot primer. It was so BORRRRIIINNNNNG! So I learned to read upside down. When the teacher noticed she said calmly with a note of concern in her voice for me to read aloud next. I keep the book upside down and continued to read better than all the kids before me. Next came, "Turn that book rightly and read!" I complied and continued to read while thinking "I could read this sideways, I could close the book and know were this stupid story is going" but I continued to read.

All of my fellow students were reading to grade level soon and continued to get better. When they started pushing kids to read in preschool and kindergarten I think certain manual skills are not as developed. And don't get me started about math skills. I know kids in 7th and 8th grade who can work a quadratic equation but can't divide 84 into 1948 without the help of a calculator.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
2. I'm going to say that being stuffed into a body bag is worse
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

Perhaps not?

A lot of people support a certain presidential candidate with a "D" by her name that voted for dead Iraqi children when she voted for the war on Iraq.

Hey, no harm no foul. They are only Iraqis and dark skinned children. They don't matter. Right?

I mean, it is Hillary Clinton- the most qualified candidate ever for the presidency! Being dead is better than being able to read! Hillary believes so!! If not, then why did she take until 2015 to acknowledge that her support for the war on Iraq was a mistake?

Being a dead Iraqi child is better than not being able to read - Hillary voted and believes do!!

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
6. You are right
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:12 PM
May 2016

I clicked on the thread as it was on the front page and I didn't notice the sub forum it was actually posted in.

My reply was meant more towards a thread that I believed was posted in the "general" form than the education forum.

I'm looking for a fight, but not here on the education sub-forum. I completely apologize and hang my head in shame here.

Again, you are right. My above post doesn't belong here and I am sorry.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
15. Hey, I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong.
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

That goes with being an adult and being a part of a community.

I might be angry, but that doesn't give me a free pass to be an asshole.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
5. Some children aren't ready to read in kindergarten and others are. The adults shouldn't stress.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

As long as they learn to read in the end, they'll be OK, except for missing out on some great stories.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. My oldest son didn't learn to read until well into second grade.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

I'm not entirely certain why he had so much trouble with it. He was ahead of all the other kids with math, but he had to do math with the class, and wasn't able to advance at his own pace. Meanwhile, the kids who'd learned to read, were able to advance in that area at their own speed. It was very frustrating.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
10. We all develop at a different rate.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:45 PM
May 2016

I had a very tiny 8th grade class. I can remember all the other children very well. All of the boys were about the same height. Years later some of those boys remained that height while I continued to grow until I was over 6 foot 3 inches tall. I think the aptitude for learning is similar in a way.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
9. We didn't even have kindergarten where I grew up as a child in Ohio.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

I guess I don't know what I missed.

ReRe

(10,792 posts)
17. I didn't go to kindergarten either...
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

.... I was from one of those backwoods places, right next door to you as a matter of fact (IN). But I was in the reading circle at the library before 1st grade, I was read to and told made-up stories by my Grandma. Learning to listen is a big part of kindergarten, which I learned. And had a sister within two years of my age, so there was my playmate. I don't think I missed anything.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
21. I remember the McGuffy Readers! I believe they are a valuable collectible today.
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:21 AM
May 2016

Thank you, elleng!

forest444

(5,902 posts)
18. Our Rapepublican friends would never allow ideas on schooling from pinko countries like Finland here
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

Except for their own little runts, of course.

Wounded Bear

(60,692 posts)
12. Pretty sure I was reading before Kindergarten...
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

Mom was a reader, and I remember even my a-hole oldest brother (rest his soul) was reading with me sometimes. By third grade, I was reading at a 9th grade level.

We do all learn at different rates.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
13. Denmark
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

Compulsory education begins at age six, used to be seven. First year isn't even spent on the three R's, but on the school experience. And somehow, Denmark has one of the highest literacy rates in the world.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. My children started school in Austria.
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

I was instructed by the kindergarten teachers (3 years of free kindergarten for every child there at that time) that I should not allow my children to read until they started school at the age of six and had been tested for readiness for the first grade.

My youngest figured out how to read before she was six.

German is a phonetic language, so it is easier to learn to read in
German (or Spanish or Italian or French) than it is in English, but I still agree that it is best to have children wait until they are six and mature to read.

I read very earlier, but then I was so nearsighted that I don't know what else I would have done with my time.

The Austrian kindergarten taught children how to move they eyes from left to right, how to hold books, how to imagine things and draw pictures, HOW TO TELL THEIR OWN STORIES, how to put pictures in order so that they told a story of the child's creation, how to sing, play a small flute, knit, do crafts and other things that prepared a child to do well in school at the appropriate time.

The Austrian kindergarten emphasized neatness and order with things, putting toys away, playing, doing what the child was drawn to do, learning life skills and really useful things.

Most important, the Austrian children emphasized good social skills and polite and kind behavior toward others.

My children benefitted incredibly from the headstart they got in Austrian kindergarten, and I wish every American child could have that kind of pre-school experience. My children are doing well today in great part because of the excellent kindergarten they attended.

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