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Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:36 PM Sep 2013

Diane Ravitch: School privatization is a hoax, “reformers” aim to destroy public schools

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/15/diane_ravitch_school_privatization_is_a_hoax_reformers_aim_to_destroy_public_schools/



Excerpted from "Reign of Error: The Hoax of the Privatization Movement and the Danger to America’s Public Schools"

As long as anyone can remember, critics have been saying that the schools are in decline. They used to be the best in the world, they say, but no longer. They used to have real standards, but no longer. They used to have discipline, but no longer. What the critics seldom acknowledge is that our schools have changed as our society has changed. Some who look longingly to a golden age in the past remember a time when the schools educated only a small fraction of the population.

But the students in the college-bound track of fifty years ago did not get the high quality of education that is now typical in public schools with Advanced Placement courses or International Baccalaureate programs or even in the regular courses offered in our top city and suburban schools. There are more remedial classes today, but there are also more public school students with special needs, more students who don’t read English, more students from troubled families, and fewer students dropping out. As for discipline, it bears remembering a 1955 film called “Blackboard Jungle,” about an unruly, violent inner-city school where students bullied other students. The students in this school were all white. Today, public schools are often the safest places for children in tough neighborhoods.

The claim that the public schools are in decline is not new. In his Pulitzer Prize-winning book “Anti-intellectualism in American Life,” Richard Hofstadter characterized writing on education in the United States as “a literature of acid criticism and bitter complaint . . . The educational jeremiad is as much a feature of our literature as the jeremiad in the Puritan sermons.” From the 1820s to our own time, reformers have complained about low standards, ignorant teachers, and incompetent school boards. He noted that anyone longing for the “good old days” would have difficulty finding a time when critics were not bemoaning the quality of the public schools.

There is a tendency nowadays to hark back with nostalgia to the mythical good old days, usually imagined as about forty or fifty years ago. But few people seem to realize there never was a time when everyone succeeded in school. When present-day critics refer to what they assume was a better past, they look back to a time when a large proportion of American youths did not complete high school and only a small minority completed four years of college. In those supposedly halcyon days, the schools in many states were racially segregated, as were most colleges and universities. Children with disabilities did not have a right to a free public education until after the passage of federal legislation in 1975 and were often excluded from public schools. Nor did schools enroll significant numbers of non-English-speaking students in the 1940s and 1950s or even the 1960s. Immigration laws restricted the admission of foreigners to the United States from the early 1920s until the mid-1960s. After the laws were changed, the schools began to enroll students from Latin America, Asia, the Middle East, Russia, Africa, and other parts of the world that had previously arrived in small numbers.

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Diane Ravitch: School privatization is a hoax, “reformers” aim to destroy public schools (Original Post) Starry Messenger Sep 2013 OP
My wife is a teacher and she has been saying that ever since NCLB gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1
I'd love to pin this article to the top of the Ed forum. LWolf Sep 2013 #2
You'd accomplish more by pinning it to the top of the Barack Obama forum. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2013 #5
That would be quite an accomplishment. LWolf Sep 2013 #7
Next you'll be triple-dog daring me. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #9
Ok, Yellow-Belly. As John Wayne would have said........ Smarmie Doofus Sep 2013 #11
I am! Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #13
an empty vessel warrant46 Sep 2013 #17
I can't wait to get the book. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #6
Juicy is right! nt LWolf Sep 2013 #8
Kick a thousand times. Squinch Sep 2013 #3
Been saying that for years on DU. bvar22 Sep 2013 #4
Fix it! "Every Child deserves a great education." Democrats_win Sep 2013 #18
The book is on my want list. n/t duffyduff Sep 2013 #10
Straw man argument? Gov101 Sep 2013 #12
It is a hoax. Educate yourself, please. duffyduff Sep 2013 #14
You failed to comprehended what I said. Gov101 Sep 2013 #15
It's actually a book excerpt. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #16
Misled WovenGems Sep 2013 #19

gopiscrap

(24,170 posts)
1. My wife is a teacher and she has been saying that ever since NCLB
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:42 PM
Sep 2013

was voted on. In fact she said that there has been a national narrative that TPTB have been seeping into our national conversation ever since the teacher unions have gotten powerful which was in the early to mid 70's

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
2. I'd love to pin this article to the top of the Ed forum.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:43 PM
Sep 2013

It's worth every inch of text and every bit of the time spent reading.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. You'd accomplish more by pinning it to the top of the Barack Obama forum.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:23 PM
Sep 2013

They know what she says... and the less-unhinged members know that she's right... but they'd rather not think about it.

Now if we could get Mr. Obama himself to take *one* day, ( He can do it; he's that smart) maybe two (if it's an 'off the chart' red alert period at the WH) to read Reign of Error from beginning to end.... then we'd have something.

He could learn so MUCH.

Alas... he remains a tabula rasa, a void, an empty vessel; as completely unschooled and clueless on this subject as he was the day he came in.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
7. That would be quite an accomplishment.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:31 PM
Sep 2013

Getting it pinned.

Currently, one is determined to argue me to the ground about defense spending vs education spending. The cognitive dissonance is truly staggering.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
4. Been saying that for years on DU.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 05:43 PM
Sep 2013

I have nothing against Charter (Private) schools,
as long as they do NOT receive one red cent of OUR money.

If somebody wants a "Charter School",
let them fund it from PRIVATE sources.


The USA already has a Public School System.
If it is broken,
it is OUR responsibility to FIX it,
NOT steal money from it.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
18. Fix it! "Every Child deserves a great education."
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:16 PM
Sep 2013

This quote is from the 50-year anniversary of the MLK speech ceremony.

They need to make the public school system great.

Gov101

(28 posts)
12. Straw man argument?
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:24 PM
Sep 2013

But even if the reformers and pro-privatization people are at times ignorantly misled in their demands to go back to a better educational system, I don't believe that's really the basis of their arguments. They do want to destroy public education based on the idea that more individual choice into the system will make it better. Market solutions may or may not be incorrect but efforts to dismiss them as a hoax or to falsely focus on the alleged importance of straw man historical arguments isn't actually as good of an argument as some of you seem to think it is. That being said, is a great history lesson and she has long done excellent work in summing up the story of our countries educational reform efforts.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
14. It is a hoax. Educate yourself, please.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:36 PM
Sep 2013

These people are opposed to public education because it is public. Period.

"Market solutions" are INAPPROPRIATE FOR SERVICES THAT ARE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC GOOD.

Stop with the dishonesty.

Gov101

(28 posts)
15. You failed to comprehended what I said.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:34 AM
Sep 2013

For example you seem to think I stated some opinion or made some claims about education. Instead I was suggesting that the article in the OP could do a better job at addressing the real arguments raised by the anti-public education crowd.

WovenGems

(776 posts)
19. Misled
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:40 AM
Sep 2013

Many conservatives believe that if public schools fall then it will be easier to get religion into publicly funded private schools.

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