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elleng

(136,108 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 02:21 PM Mar 2014

To Keep Teenagers Alert, Schools Let Them Sleep In.

The sputtering, nearly 20-year movement to start high schools later has recently gained momentum in communities like this one, as hundreds of schools in dozens of districts across the country have bowed to the accumulating research on the adolescent body clock.

In just the last two years, high schools in Long Beach, Calif.; Stillwater, Okla.; Decatur, Ga.;, and Glens Falls, N.Y., have pushed back their first bells, joining early adopters in Connecticut, North Carolina, Kentucky and Minnesota. The Seattle school board will vote this month on whether to pursue the issue. The superintendent of Montgomery County, Md., supports the shift, and the school board for Fairfax County, Va., is working with consultants to develop options for starts after 8 a.m.

New evidence suggests that later high school starts have widespread benefits. Researchers at the University of Minnesota, funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, studied eight high schools in three states before and after they moved to later start times in recent years. In results released Wednesday they found that the later a school’s start time, the better off the students were on many measures, including mental health, car crash rates, attendance and, in some schools, grades and standardized test scores.

Dr. Elizabeth Miller, chief of adolescent medicine at Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh, who was not involved in the research, noted that the study was not a randomized controlled trial, which would have compared schools that had changed times with similar schools that had not. But she said its methods were pragmatic and its findings promising.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/to-keep-teenagers-alert-schools-let-them-sleep-in/?hp

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To Keep Teenagers Alert, Schools Let Them Sleep In. (Original Post) elleng Mar 2014 OP
or parents could just confiscate electronic devices at 9 p.m. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #1
Point missed. Igel Mar 2014 #9
point not missed. grasswire Mar 2014 #10
School starts here at 8:55 and has for 40 years. mbperrin Mar 2014 #2
SMART! elleng Mar 2014 #3
Strangely enough, Odessa, in west Texas, mbperrin Mar 2014 #5
'Strange,' and GOOD NEWS! elleng Mar 2014 #6
We have block period, which starts us at 7:45 for the first section. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #4
I've been saying this for years! knitter4democracy Mar 2014 #7
YES! elleng Mar 2014 #8
I was just talking to a colleague and parent of a high school student this week about this. LWolf Mar 2014 #11

Igel

(36,108 posts)
9. Point missed.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 10:04 PM
Mar 2014

It's not just that they're too "engaged" in extracurricular activities until late. Or even have jobs that keep them out until 10 or 11 or midnight.

It's that for most teens, their circadian rhythms tell them to be awake at 10 pm, 11 pm, and alert. And then to sleep.

This changes with age. Younger kids tend to wake up earlier, for instance, much to their parents annoyance. I'd happily be up at 7 a.m or earlier when I was 6 or 7. My own kid drove us crazy until about a year or two ago.

So the young kids go to school late and the older kids have to get up and to school at dawn for much of the year. That's because nobody wanted their elementary-school kids walking to school in the dark. Nobody walks any more. Flip the times.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
10. point not missed.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 10:29 PM
Mar 2014

I simply don't believe the hype.

Tell me how an 18-year-old can't function at 8 a.m. but a 19-year-old should expect to show up for work at 8, and perhaps do so for the next fifty years?

The idea of teenagers not being alert in the morning has (oddly) coincided with the proliferation of evening and night-time activities they are allowed. I can see how it's hard to sleep at night with a smart phone under your pillow and a bud in your ear.

If the thesis about their need for sleep is true, why not just hold high school classes at night?

I've raised two sets of teenagers. I know this is a first world issue.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
5. Strangely enough, Odessa, in west Texas,
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 06:37 PM
Mar 2014

halfway between Fort Worth and El Paso.

Not usually a hotbed of educational innovation (and I both graduated from and teach here at Odessa High)

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
4. We have block period, which starts us at 7:45 for the first section.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

It's insane, the kids are not awake until class is nearly over.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
7. I've been saying this for years!
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 08:34 PM
Mar 2014

We start at 7:25, and my first hour just plain is tired, cranky, and not ready to learn at all. Second hour is marginally better, but my 4th hour (starting at 10:47) is bright, perky, and fun. That's the way the rest of the day goes. For crying out loud, we need to flip the sports practices and school times or at least the elementary school start times and the high school start times.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
11. I was just talking to a colleague and parent of a high school student this week about this.
Fri Mar 14, 2014, 07:57 PM
Mar 2014

We both agreed. The community has been surveyed several times, and there is no support for starting high school later here.

Why? Because of the sports programs. This community values sports above academics, and they simply won't put sports practices before school so academic classes can start later. It's not going to happen. They don't need any stinkin' research.

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