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(978 posts) Mon Dec 11, 2023, 10:25 PM Dec 2023

GreenH Electrolysis to build hydrogen production and refueling station for India's first hydrogen train

GreenH Electrolysis to build hydrogen production and refueling station for India’s first hydrogen train

GreenH Electrolysis has secured an EPC and long-term service contract with Hyderabad-based Medha Servo Drives for a hydrogen production and refueling station in the Jind district of Haryana. The station will supply hydrogen for India’s first hydrogen train.

UMA GUPTA | PV Magazine India | DECEMBER 11, 2023

GreenH Electrolysis (GreenH), a joint venture between H2B2 Electrolysis Technologies and GR Promoter Group, has secured a contract with Medha Servo Drives (Medha) to build a hydrogen production and refueling station in Jind, Haryana, to supply hydrogen for India’s first hydrogen train under the Indian Railways’ “Hydrogen for Heritage” initiative.

Indian Railways awarded a contract to Medha for a pilot project to retrofit diesel electric multiple unit rake, on the Sonipat-Jind section, from diesel to a hydrogen-powered train, as part of efforts to achieve its net-zero emissions goal.

Medha contracted GreenH to provide the engineering, procurement, and construction (EPC) of a hydrogen production and refueling station for this groundbreaking project. GreenH will provide the necessary equipment from its newly constructed PEM electrolyzer manufacturing plant in the Jhajjar district of Haryana.

The hydrogen production and refueling station is expected to deploy a comprehensive system to both produce hydrogen and refuel the trains daily.

“To achieve the first stage, a 1 MW electrolyzer, supplied by GreenH, will operate round the clock with an expected capacity of 420 kg/day of hydrogen. The refueling infrastructure is expected to integrate 3,000 kg hydrogen storage, hydrogen compressors, and two hydrogen dispensers with pre-cooler integration, allowing for quick refueling of the trains,” stated GreenH...more
https://www.pv-magazine-india.com/2023/12/11/greenh-electrolysis-to-build-hydrogen-production-and-refueling-station-for-indias-first-hydrogen-train/

And some will still say "there's no such thing as GH2"

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GreenH Electrolysis to build hydrogen production and refueling station for India's first hydrogen train (Original Post) Caribbeans Dec 2023 OP

One thing one can say about bait and switch marketing people who rebrand fossil fuels as hydrogen is... NNadir Dec 2023 #1

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1. One thing one can say about bait and switch marketing people who rebrand fossil fuels as hydrogen is...

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Mon Dec 11, 2023, 11:15 PM

Dec 2023

...that they have obviously never taken a college level science course or if they did, they didn't get a grade of C or better.

420 kg of hydrogen has an energy content of 33 MWh *420 = 4.99 X 10¹⁰ Joules, giving an average power output, at 86400 seconds, per day of 578 kW. Of course, what is not included is the energy cost of compressing the hydrogen.

What is also not stated is that the electrolyzers cannot be shut down if the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining without introducing a hysteresis penalty which anyone who knows a fucking thing about electrolyzers would know up front. Thus the electrolyzers will not shut down, but will run off the grid, which in India is largely powered by coal.

The amount of hydrogen produced by the wind and solar scam is now, as it has always been, trivial, not worth discussing, and certainly not the electricity utilized by fossil fuel interests to engage in "bait and switch" marketing of fossil fuels as "hydrogen."

Numbers don't lie, and I provided the numbers in detail here: A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.

In India, electricity is overwhelmingly generated by fossil fuels. India's coal demand in 2022 was 643,000,000 tons of carbon equivalent. (cf. World Energy Outlook, 2023, page 286, Table A.15.) They aren't buying this coal because they're living on so called renewable energy, in some magical fantasy solar and wind nirvana that does not exist and never will exist. To the extent that they are using electrolyzers with their appallingly low thermodynamic efficiency, they are demonstrating their contempt for the environment, not that fossil fuel sales people and their cute "I agree with you..." sales bots give a rat's ass about the environment.

Clearly they don't.

The economics of electrolyzers are appalling, as is their environmental impact, and all the advertisements in the world will not change that fact.

All of the advertisements in the world will not have an effect on the laws of thermodynamics. Making hydrogen wastes energy and on this planet, in 2023, about 80% of the world's energy is provided by dangerous fossil fuels, meaning making hydrogen drives up the use of fossil fuels.

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