Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumHydrogen Station Network Status in Germany at 10:30 AM CET, Friday Dec. 15, 2023
https://h2-mobility.de/en/our-h2-stations/
Hydrogen station status in Southern California Dec. 11, 2023 1PM PST
https://h2fcp.org/stationmap
Which nation wants H2 vehicles?
Caribbeans
(975 posts)is proved wrong by ... GERMANY - where H2 costs less than half of what it does right now in CA. But so far there has been no official explanation as to exactly why.
Shell Hydrogen Station, Cloppenburger Straße 154, 26133 Oldenburg, Germany | EUR 13.85 / kg
Caribbeans
(975 posts)A global laughingstock. That's H2 today in the USA
NickB79
(19,621 posts)I was told here recently that 1 kg of H2 is roughly equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline.
$140 for the equivalent of a tank of gas for my Prius? No thank you.
NNadir
(34,659 posts)Subtitle:
Some text from the article:
The company, the worlds largest chemical maker, revealed the closures when it announced 2022 financial results on Feb. 24. Sales increased 11%, to $92.5 billion, but this was because of higher selling prices. The companys sales volumes declined by 7% last year.
BASF posted a loss of about $660 million for the year, mostly owing to charges of $6.7 billion related to its decision to withdraw its Wintershall Dea oil and gas affiliate completely from Russia. Without those charges, the firms profits would have been roughly flat compared to 2021.
The war in Ukraine has sharply reduced natural gas supplies in Europe and boosted BASFs energy bill on the continent by $2.9 billion in 2022. In Germany, overall chemical industry production decreased by 12% last year.
The past year has taught us all a harsh lesson: peace and economic stability must never be taken for granted, BASF chairman Martin Brudermüller said in remarks to stock analysts.
Along with its earnings announcement, BASF detailed a round of cost cutting, outlined last October, aimed at saving more than $500 million annually. As part of the program, BASF says it will shed about 2,600 positions, 2.3% of its global total. The program, which BASF will execute this year and next, will focus on nonmanufacturing operations such as services, administration, and R&D.
Here's another article on the topic from a few months back from a more mainstream publication:
BASF to cut 2,600 jobs as energy crisis puts Germany on track for recession
By shutting down its Haber Bosch plants - BASF was founded on coal reformation to make hydrogen for ammonia manufacture - cut off a major supply of ammonia for Africa for fertilizers.
Germany routinely has the 2nd dirtiest electricity in Europe as measured in grams CO2/kWh, because it is heavily dependent on coal when it's expensive solar and wind junk is experiencing Dunkelflaute according to the data which can be regularly checked at The Electricity Map
I check it regularly, with a sense of disgust, because "green" in Germany is the color of soot and coal ash. I despise fossil fuel dependent economies, of which Germany is one of the worst. (Poland is usually use, but Poland is on a path of moving in the opposite direction of Germany; it plans to build oodles of nuclear plants.)
Of course, fossil fuel sales people and their "I agree with you" sales bots are in the business of promoting the use of dangerous fossil fuels by greenwashing them as "hydrogen." This is a very successful and slick marketing technique, of course, because many people believe the nonsense statement that hydrogen is "green," even though it is overwhelmingly made by the very dirty steam reforming of dangerous fossil fuels.
A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.
Whether it's whining about tritium at Fukushima, or destroying exergy to rebrand fossil fuels as "hydrogen" fossil fuel interests are very slick in promoting the coal, gas, and oil industries, as slick as cigarette companies were in the 1950's were in promoting their brands by advertising that doctors smoked their brands.
It offends decency of course, but let's not accuse the fossil fuel interests of having a sense of decency. At long last, they have none.
Caribbeans
(975 posts)for the 357th time, just because something was done one way in the past does not mean that is the way it must be done in the future
NNadir
(34,659 posts)The fucking planet is on fire NOW, and all the bullshit advertising videos with vague and and frankly dishonest rhetoric from fossil fuel interests here and elsewhere has not changed that reality.
There may be rubes stupid enough to buy into this crap, but every hydrogen station on this planet NOW represents the destruction of exergy from dirty fossil fuels.
Think. Again.
(17,931 posts)...absolutely no reason to do that.
Think. Again.
(17,931 posts)Thanks for posting those videos!
The U.S. is so far behind on all things clean energy, I worry about which nation we will have to suck up to next after we no longer have to suck up to saudi arabia.
NBachers
(18,129 posts)I think its because of difficulty in finding fill-up locations.
NickB79
(19,621 posts)Per a post Caribbeans made here recently.
That's equivalent to paying $360 for a 10-gal tank of gasoline. Might have just a little bit to do with their low prices.