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hatrack

(60,535 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 11:14 AM Saturday

Since We're Filling Our Planet With Garbage, Let's Not Forget Near-Earth Space And The Kessler Effect

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There’s now a huge amount of junk, or space debris, in orbit. Almost 37,000 objects more than 10cm in size are being tracked by space surveillance networks, according to the European Space Agency (Esa) figures for September. “That stuff’s dangerous, don’t get me wrong,” says John Janka, global government affairs and regulatory chief officer at the communications company Viasat, who is based in Washington DC. “But there’s also – according to Esa, more than 1m pieces of debris between 1cm and 10cm that are lethal and non-trackable. What does that mean? It means you can’t see it, you can’t avoid it, and today you can’t shield your satellite against it.”

But the concern over debris is about more than it damaging an individual satellite or craft. Space operators are acutely aware of a danger known as the Kessler effect or syndrome, named after the Nasa scientist Donald J Kessler, who in 1978 along with Burton G Cour-Palais, published a theory that as the number of satellites increased, so would the probability of collisions. As collisions increase, the more debris is produced, and the greater the risk of more collisions. At a critical mass, one collision could trigger an unstoppable cascade of collisions, such that an entire orbit could be rendered useless. A 2022 overview paper by Viasat paints an almost apocalyptic picture: “If a tipping point is reached, all of humanity would watch helplessly as space junk multiplies uncontrollably. Without timely intervention, we risk bringing the space age to an inglorious end, and trapping humanity on Earth under a layer of its own trash for centuries, or even millennia.”

It continues: “Not only an abrupt end to space exploration, but also the loss of all the benefits of space technology – including navigation, weather forecasting, climate measurements, and even satellite broadband (the intended purpose of the megaconstellations being deployed).” As well as numbers, Janka points out, size is an issue. “We’re putting up tens of thousands of satellites, and we’re putting up increasingly bigger satellites into low Earth orbit – bigger in terms of cross-sectional area and mass – we’re finding that we’re having perhaps some unanticipated impact on things like collision risk.”

He compares it to a bigger sail on a boat catching more wind. “The bigger satellite, the more cross-sectional area, the greater chance of being hit by debris.” And bigger satellites create more debris when they are hit.

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/oct/19/humanity-would-watch-helplessly-as-space-junk-multiplies-uncontrollably-has-the-number-of-satellite-launches-reached-a-tipping-point

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Since We're Filling Our Planet With Garbage, Let's Not Forget Near-Earth Space And The Kessler Effect (Original Post) hatrack Saturday OP
A lot of it is courtesy of the douchebag of the century Eloon jfz9580m Saturday #1
As some kind of Luddite I was looking forward to "Peak Oil." hunter Saturday #2
Perhaps such an event... 2naSalit Saturday #3
I couldn't agree with you more jfz9580m Saturday #4
Project Gutenberg: The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth OKIsItJustMe Saturday #5
Oh thanks OKIsItJustMe.. jfz9580m Sunday #6
Maybe this is another explanation for the lack of intelligence in the universe NickB79 Sunday #7

jfz9580m

(14,871 posts)
1. A lot of it is courtesy of the douchebag of the century Eloon
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 12:35 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Oct 19, 2024, 01:16 PM - Edit history (1)

A 2022 overview paper by Viasat paints an almost apocalyptic picture: “If a tipping point is reached, all of humanity would watch helplessly as space junk multiplies uncontrollably. Without timely intervention, we risk bringing the space age to an inglorious end, and trapping humanity on Earth under a layer of its own trash for centuries, or even millennia.”


It is kinda incredible how idiotically destructive we are as a species. So I wondered how much of this is courtesy of that fucking idiot Musk.

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-reentry-pollution-damage-earth-atmosphere

About 40% of disused satellites burning up in Earth's atmosphere these days belong to SpaceX's Starlink megaconstellation, according to Andrew Bacon, the chief technology officer and co-founder of U.K.-based in-orbit manufacturing firm Space Forge.

That amounts to "a minimum of 500 kilograms [1,100 pounds]" of incinerated satellite trash a day, added Bacon, who presented those numbers at the workshop on Protecting Earth and Outer Space from the Disposal of Spacecraft and Debris held at the University of Southampton in the U.K. on Sept. 23 and Sept. 24.



https://qz.com/elon-musk-spacex-space-junk-1851586155

Space junk is exponentially increasing — and Elon Musk is a big reason why
The U.S. is responsible for the lion’s share of the recent increases, largely thanks to SpaceX

It always comes back to Elon Musk. That’s right, almost all of this massive leap in space shit has been put there by the world-famous satellite and sexual harassment company SpaceX. The world’s richest man is launching thousands of satellites into space? Doesn’t that sound like a too-fake-for-real-life knockoff James Bond plot?

According to some estimates, SpaceX launches around 90 percent of all U.S. space shit, and the U.S. is responsible for over 80 percent of the world’s space shit. Of course we are. Why wouldn’t we be? In 2023 alone, SpaceX attempted 98 of the world’s 223 orbital launches, leaving behind a whole bunch of stuff in the process. The company currently has 5,420 Starlink satellites in orbit, and plans to increase that number to over 12,000 in the coming years.


(And some added fun facts in there about the culture of sexual harassment at SpaceX.
God I hate that turd..He is such a piece of shit..repellent little creep.)

hunter

(38,809 posts)
2. As some kind of Luddite I was looking forward to "Peak Oil."
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 01:01 PM
Saturday

Alas, it turns out we'll not run out of fossil fuels ever. There's more than enough to destroy whatever is left of this world as we know it, including our civilization.

I have similar feelings about the Kessler effect. It could be a good thing, helping our civilization focus it's attention on what's truly important.

Sending people to the moon again, or blanketing the surface of the earth with high speed internet and cell phone coverage, really isn't that important. Space communication systems are contributing to the destruction of earth's remaining wilderness.

I hate it that any of my tax dollars support military, commercial, or manned space projects.

2naSalit

(91,693 posts)
3. Perhaps such an event...
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 02:11 PM
Saturday

Which seems inevitable, will force humans to make use of all that unused brain we choose to ignore.

What makes me shake my head is that nobody is willing to admit that we humans will not be able to survive anywhere else in our physical form, requires too many resources to mimic earth conditions suitable for our survival. Just not doable and yet we spend billions upon billions in pursuit of such goals.

Really, how practical is any of the space program? We look to that and refuse to make life livable for those of us on this planet now. Makes me think we've already gone, collectively, insane. We just refuse to admit it.



jfz9580m

(14,871 posts)
4. I couldn't agree with you more
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 06:21 PM
Saturday

Instead of trying something feasible and sane here on earth, this “trash this planet and try setting up colonies in space” shit is so absurd.

The hurdles en route to that are so much harder to clear than a serious transition to a sustainable lifestyle through advocacy here on earth.

I don’t think the average human is as hopeless as our leadership. If we are flooded with nonsensical ideas and education is destroyed, it is not surprising the average person doesn’t think clearly about these topics.

It makes me wonder how good these guys actually are at math. No wonder people like Elon, our other idiot billionaires, tech leaders and those fucking stupid effective altruists think population collapse is the issue not population explosion. Who can want to eschew cheap labor and the trashification of the planet to peddle cheap phones and other consumer goods over anything sustainable and cool?

A lot of these types in Si valley etc. kinda are idiots. Such loopy and absurd ways of thinking. Not at all pragmatic..

More factory farming; no advocacy for smaller family sizes or less consumption plus more conservation, but panic over imaginary issues like declining birth rates; more space junk..these people are idiots..

You are idiots babes..it is a wonder you even know how to breathe..

OKIsItJustMe

(20,280 posts)
5. Project Gutenberg: The Marching Morons by C. M. Kornbluth
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 11:23 PM
Saturday
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51233


❝The pioneer and would-be spacefarer Elon Musk said he would like to die on Mars, though not on impact. Martian conditions suggest death on impact might be preferable.❞
James Lovelock, Novacene: The Coming Age of Hyperintelligence

jfz9580m

(14,871 posts)
6. Oh thanks OKIsItJustMe..
Sun Oct 20, 2024, 02:37 AM
Sunday

That looks like a fun read…Thank you!
Never heard of The Marching Morons..or if I did, I have forgotten it.
Looks interesting. I am reading it..

James Lovelock was an interesting guy..

NickB79

(19,547 posts)
7. Maybe this is another explanation for the lack of intelligence in the universe
Sun Oct 20, 2024, 11:17 AM
Sunday

A Kessler Event trapping a species on their home world.

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