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Caribbeans

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Sun Nov 3, 2024, 09:22 PM Nov 3

October 31, 2024: Beijing accelerates hydrogen industry development

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At the heart of Beijing's hydrogen ambitions is Daxing's international hydrogen energy demonstration zone, home to the world's largest H2 refueling station.

Beijing accelerates hydrogen industry development

China.org.cn | October 31, 2024

In southwestern Beijing's Fangshan district, Yanshan Petrochemical is ramping up hydrogen production, expecting a significant boost in supply capacity this year. In southern Daxing district, the hydrogen demonstration zone continues to attract leading hydrogen energy companies, further expanding its industrial base.

Together, these areas signal Beijing's drive to become a hub for hydrogen energy.

Once a key refining facility supporting Beijing's fuel supply since the 1960s, Yanshan Petrochemical turned to hydrogen production as part of its green transition, providing high-purity hydrogen for the 2022 Winter Olympics.

Yanshan's chief expert, Li Junliang, said that since the company began hydrogen production in 2020, it has supplied nearly 3,100 metric tons for fuel cell use. With a new purification facility set to launch this year, Yanshan's daily hydrogen output is expected to increase from 4 metric tons to 24 metric tons, meeting nearly half of Beijing's hydrogen demand.

At the heart of Beijing's hydrogen ambitions is Daxing's international hydrogen energy demonstration zone, home to the world's largest hydrogen refueling station. Located in this rapidly growing area, the station serves an increasing number of hydrogen-powered trucks, with a capacity to refuel up to 800 fuel cell vehicles daily.

The Daxing zone has attracted over 220 hydrogen companies. The zone also boasts a national hydrogen fuel cell vehicle testing center currently under development...more
http://www.china.org.cn/business/2024-10/31/content_117519478.htm

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October 31, 2024: Beijing accelerates hydrogen industry development (Original Post) Caribbeans Nov 3 OP
There is a tiny yet underground move in this direction Klarkashton Nov 3 #1
Hydrogen is an energy hog and not "green". CentralMass Nov 3 #2
It sure can be green - just ask Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm Caribbeans Nov 3 #3
This fallacious "appeal to authority" argument would do better if it appealed to someone familiar with the laws... NNadir Nov 4 #4

Caribbeans

(993 posts)
3. It sure can be green - just ask Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 09:45 PM
Nov 3




Any clue as to what happens when there is too much renewable energy?

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it
LA Times JUNE 22, 2017

On 14 days during March, Arizona utilities got a gift from California: free solar power.

Well, actually better than free. California produced so much solar power on those days that it paid Arizona to take excess electricity its residents weren’t using to avoid overloading its own power lines.

It happened on eight days in January and nine in February as well. All told, those transactions helped save Arizona electricity customers millions of dollars this year, though grid operators declined to say exactly how much. And California also has paid other states to take power.

The number of days that California dumped its unused solar electricity would have been even higher if the state hadn’t ordered some solar plants to reduce production — even as natural gas power plants, which contribute to greenhouse gas emissions, continued generating electricity...
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-solar/

NNadir

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4. This fallacious "appeal to authority" argument would do better if it appealed to someone familiar with the laws...
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 05:08 AM
Nov 4

...of thermodynamics.

One can not drink water exposed to coal ash generated by the combustion of coal to make hydrogen to greenwash fossil fuels.



The caption:

Figure 1. Global current sources of H2 production (a), and H2 consumption sectors (b).


Progress on Catalyst Development for the Steam Reforming of Biomass and Waste Plastics Pyrolysis Volatiles: A Review Laura Santamaria, Gartzen Lopez, Enara Fernandez, Maria Cortazar, Aitor Arregi, Martin Olazar, and Javier Bilbao, Energy & Fuels 2021 35 (21), 17051-17084]

That proportion of hydrogen made by coal by the way, is almost entirely in China. Other countries use less odious, but still dangerous, fossil fuels to make this extremely dirty fuel.

The bullshit about electricity in California is pretty disgusting, given that the major source of electricity in California is dangerous natural gas.

Sources of Electrical Generation, California 2000 to Current

Note that the lone nuclear plant in California routinely and consistently (and, more important, reliably) produces more electrical energy than all the wind turbine industrial parks littering once pristine wilderness in this state. The Diablo Canyon plant has a foot print of about 13 acres. The wind plants represent hundreds, if not thousands of square miles of former wilderness trashed to kiss the ass of the fossil fuel industry.

It is economically and environmentally insane, and destructive to build plants based on the fact that for about 48 hours a year they have to limit access to solar junk - all of which will be electronic waste when today's toddlers enter college - to the grid.

One of the things I notice about people trying to rebrand fossil fuels as hydrogen is their complete lack of concern for the environment. The scale of the lie is Trumpian in nature.

A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.
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