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hatrack

(61,943 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 12:30 AM Feb 5

James Hansen: "The 2C Target Is Dead Because Global Energy Use Is Rising And Will Continue To Rise"

The pace of global heating has been significantly underestimated, according to renowned climate scientist Prof James Hansen, who said the international 2C target is “dead”. A new analysis by Hansen and colleagues concludes that both the impact of recent cuts in sun-blocking shipping pollution, which has raised temperatures, and the sensitivity of the climate to increasing fossil fuels emissions are greater than thought.

The group’s results are at the high end of estimates from mainstream climate science but cannot be ruled out, independent experts said. If correct, they mean even worse extreme weather will come sooner and there is a greater risk of passing global tipping points, such as the collapse of the critical Atlantic ocean currents. Hansen, at Columbia University in the US, sounded the alarm to the general public about climate breakdown in testimony he gave to a UN congressional committee in 1988.

“The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC) defined a scenario which gives a 50% chance to keep warming under 2C – that scenario is now impossible,” he said. “The 2C target is dead, because the global energy use is rising, and it will continue to rise.” The new analysis said global heating is likely to reach 2C by 2045, unless solar geoengineering is deployed.

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Hansen’s team took a simpler approach, calculating the potential range in temperature rises for a doubling of CO2 and then using data on how much heat the Earth has trapped to estimate the most likely climate sensitivity. Their estimate is 4.5C. Cloud formation, which is affected by global heating and aerosol pollution, is a key source of the uncertainties. Anomalously high temperatures have continued in January 2025, which set a new record for the month and confounded expectations that temperatures would drop with the current La Niña, the cooler part of the El Niño cycle. “This unexpected record may presage higher temperatures this year than many of us thought,” said Hausfather. Hansen’s group also argues that the accelerated global heating they predict will increase ice melting in the Arctic.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/04/climate-change-target-of-2c-is-dead-says-renowned-climate-scientist

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James Hansen: "The 2C Target Is Dead Because Global Energy Use Is Rising And Will Continue To Rise" (Original Post) hatrack Feb 5 OP
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Ah, must be the Mars rocket!! We're saved!!! hatrack Feb 5 #2
I have a... 2naSalit Feb 5 #3
This Changes Everything Cirsium Feb 5 #4
I get the impression that most here pay lip service to climate change Kaleva Feb 5 #5
What does Jim Hansen know? Afterall, he supports nuclear energy and many people here tell me "it's too expensive." NNadir Feb 5 #6

Cirsium

(1,914 posts)
4. This Changes Everything
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:30 AM
Feb 5

It has been 10 years since This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate by Naomi Klein was published. Yet this topic gets so little attention, that I have to wonder if anyone has even read it.

Excerpt:

Or maybe we do look—really look—but then, inevitably, we seem to forget. Remember and then forget again. Climate change is like that; it’s hard to keep it in your head for very long. We engage in this odd form of on-again-off-again ecological amnesia for perfectly rational reasons. We deny because we fear that letting in the full reality of this crisis will change everything. And we are right.

We know that if we continue on our current path of allowing emissions to rise year after year, climate change will change everything about our world. Major cities will very likely drown, ancient cultures will be swallowed by the seas, and there is a very high chance that our children will spend a great deal of their lives fleeing and recovering from vicious storms and extreme droughts. And we don’t have to do anything to bring about this future. All we have to do is nothing. Just continue to do what we are doing now, whether it’s counting on a techno-fix or tending to our gardens or telling ourselves we’re unfortunately too busy to deal with it.

All we have to do is not react as if this is a full-blown crisis. All we have to do is keep on denying how frightened we actually are. And then, bit by bit, we will have arrived at the place we most fear, the thing from which we have been averting our eyes. No additional effort required. There are ways of preventing this grim future, or at least making it a lot less dire. But the catch is that these also involve changing everything. For us high consumers, it involves changing how we live, how our economies function, even the stories we tell about our place on earth. The good news is that many of these changes are distinctly un-catastrophic. Many are downright exciting. But I didn’t discover this for a long while.

Kaleva

(38,978 posts)
5. I get the impression that most here pay lip service to climate change
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 02:52 AM
Feb 5

The percentage who are actively working on preparing for it is, IMHO, pretty small

NNadir

(35,273 posts)
6. What does Jim Hansen know? Afterall, he supports nuclear energy and many people here tell me "it's too expensive."
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 07:03 AM
Feb 5

The fucking inundation of cities, droughts, famines, refugee crises, these aren't "too expensive," but nuclear energy is.

Don't worry, be happy. Elon Musk commercialized the Western electric car.

It's like an asteroid heading directly at us and we're doing nothing.

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