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Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:49 PM Sep 2012

George Carlin says that a house is "a pile of stuff with a cover on it"

That cracked me up - and for so many people, it's true.

For me, it's true. I'd love to eliminate a huge amount of the clutter we have in our home, however, my husband is a collector of electronic stuff ... he's trying to get better (has a bad thrift store habit of buying old, 'neat' electronics he can take apart).

I also don't want to eliminate our books. Fiction, fine - I can pretty easily find reproductions if I need or want to. But non-fiction? I don't want to get rid of many of those books, simply because I don't trust digital representations to always be accurate.

Could you be a minimalist? And to what extent could you reduce your current possessions? What would be easy for you to walk away from / donate, and what would be very hard for you to let go of?

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George Carlin says that a house is "a pile of stuff with a cover on it" (Original Post) Flaxbee Sep 2012 OP
I moved from a 2400 square foot home onto a 43 foot sailboat. cbayer Sep 2012 #1
I'd like to do the same thing, though perhaps not move onto a sailboat Flaxbee Sep 2012 #2
In my experience, your possessions will grow to fit the amount of space you have. cbayer Sep 2012 #3
true, about the tendency of stuff to expand to fill any given space Flaxbee Sep 2012 #5
Sounds like your husband is the one in need of a studio, lol. cbayer Sep 2012 #9
too funny. I know the scenario too well: "Mad hunts with much disruption of the space" Flaxbee Sep 2012 #15
I FINALLY got him to keep most of his tools in one place. If I find them around, cbayer Sep 2012 #17
Don't believe her. It's all lies. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #19
And I call it chaotic disorganization! cbayer Sep 2012 #21
I am trying to figure this out now. Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #4
We have streamlined a bit over the last few years, having moved a few times. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #6
Why do you have to have another round Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #7
I still have clothes I haven't worn in years tucked into drawers, books I'm never going to Flaxbee Sep 2012 #8
Oh, you are not at ruthless reduction yet. Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #12
We have a trade rack in the laundromat. People, including tourists, bring their books, cbayer Sep 2012 #14
I agree that it would be an excellent idea Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #18
Reminds me of a guy I met in NYC in the 1980s. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #22
FREECYCLE! TexasBushwhacker Apr 2013 #33
I think that I am going to regret that. Curmudgeoness Apr 2013 #34
It worked out well for me in Austin TexasBushwhacker Apr 2013 #35
At least there was a group where I live, Curmudgeoness Apr 2013 #36
I know a lot of places like that, attached to dumps in the northeast. MADem Mar 2013 #31
I know - there is still some easy tossing-out to do. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #16
It's the things that have been soaked in memories and acquired meaning that are the hardest cbayer Sep 2012 #10
I absolutely dumped a lot of clothes. Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #11
Lol. He's quite kind about it, but he does let me know. cbayer Sep 2012 #13
Might be time to take the teacups to the "Antiques Road Show" Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #20
I should be so lucky! Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #23
Not always. Rarity adds value for collectors. You never know. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #24
after the Kerry loss in 2004, i was SO depressed NMDemDist2 Sep 2012 #25
thanks! This will be fun to explore Flaxbee Sep 2012 #26
I don't know about "minimalist" Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #27
I've always done this as well and want to thank you for the reminder that it is probably time to cbayer Sep 2012 #28
I will be going minimalist soon Shankapotomus Sep 2012 #29
One of the first things I did was scan all of my photos and toss the originals. cbayer Sep 2012 #30
i was so depressed after Kerry's loss in 2004 I cleaned house NMDemDist2 Apr 2013 #32

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. I moved from a 2400 square foot home onto a 43 foot sailboat.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 09:04 AM
Sep 2012

I took my photographs (which I scanned and threw out the hard copies), packed up paperwork that I might need some day, gave my art work to friends for safe keeping and their enjoyment, and literally walked away from everything else. Literally.

I started from scratch and found I needed or missed almost nothing. When the house sold, I told my kids and some friends to got take whatever they wanted and to call salvation army to come get the rest.

From time to time, I get a small pang of "I wish I had held on to _____", but it passes quickly.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
2. I'd like to do the same thing, though perhaps not move onto a sailboat
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:20 PM
Sep 2012

Our place right now is small - I'd like maybe another room, one more bathroom (we only have one) and a dining alcove - just a small space for a dining table so we're not always eating in the living room.

And I'd like to have a studio -- so while I don't want much stuff at all, I do want a little bit of space to work.

I'm glad you're happy, it must be incredibly satisfying to have streamlined so much.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. In my experience, your possessions will grow to fit the amount of space you have.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:41 PM
Sep 2012

So, by adding more space, it is likely that you will accumulate more stuff.

One thing you learn on a boat is how to use all of your space and to use it in multiple ways. I have no desire for more space (but I do miss having a garden).

I would put the studio in a different category, however. We have a good friend who is an artist and lives on a boat. She really needs a place to work for multiple reasons and is actively looking for one.

It is really nice to streamline. We have a general, but not always enforced, rule. If we bring something on the boat, something else needs to be removed.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
5. true, about the tendency of stuff to expand to fill any given space
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:42 PM
Sep 2012

My husband is much more of a stuff person than I am. He thinks lots of things are neat, worth taking apart, experimenting with, etc. A true "ham", there are bits and pieces of radios and electronics everywhere. I feel successful if I manage to get them corralled into one room. As a young boy, he never learned to put his toys away.

But, he's getting better.

I, on the other hand, love open, almost-empty spaces, though books, magazines, plants and cats do lend to the clutter.

I definitely want a studio with doors, so I can closed my beloved felines out.

Your rule sounds good - for everything in, something must go out. Unless it's a replacement of a necessary item.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. Sounds like your husband is the one in need of a studio, lol.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:06 PM
Sep 2012

My husband is pretty good at putting things away, but he tends to put them in a different place everytime, leading to mad hunts with much disruption of the space.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
15. too funny. I know the scenario too well: "Mad hunts with much disruption of the space"
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:59 PM
Sep 2012


Sigh.

Never puts anything back in the same place - quite often just leaves it where he dropped it, then it gets kicked under a desk, or the cats play with it and it gets batted who knows where ....

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
17. I FINALLY got him to keep most of his tools in one place. If I find them around,
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:07 PM
Sep 2012

I put them on his desk (which he hates) and then he will put them back where they belong.

But don't get me started about the *tangly wires* - remnants of every piece of electronic equipment he has ever owned. Try as I may to put them in one space, I find them everywhere.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
19. Don't believe her. It's all lies.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sep 2012

I put things where they belong, or at least where my addled brain thinks they belong. I call it organized chaos.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. I am trying to figure this out now.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:34 PM
Sep 2012

My closet was so full of clothes that I can't or won't wear anymore, and it finally hit that last nerve. So I have started to systematically go through the closets, drawers, nooks, and crannies getting rid of things. Since I have so much crap that I never use and never even remember that I have, it is easy going so far.

So the easy things are all these things that have no use in my life. After this is done, I am not sure what would be easy. But it is the "what would be very hard" part that often makes no sense to me. I am not usually sentimental about possessions, but there are some things that I just cannot get rid of yet for no good reason. Most of these things are family photos or other keepsakes. Things like the horrid collection of tea cups that were my mother's, and her mother's before that. They are still prominently displayed in the cabinet that my father built for them, even though they are so not my style or suited to the rest of the decor.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
6. We have streamlined a bit over the last few years, having moved a few times.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:47 PM
Sep 2012

That always helps, because you wonder why you're lugging junk around.

But there are things I can never give up - my grandmother used to make these pretty, beaded bells for Christmas and I think I only have two, but I'd die defending those bells. I touch them and swear I can feel my grandma. But they're small, two can fit in the palm of my hand. She had made hundreds of them, but I chose two. Could you do that with the collection of tea cups? Keep one or two to represent the connection to your mother and grandmother, and let the rest go?

Some bigger items, pieces of furniture I don't really like, etc., I've let go, even though they have memories.

We're definitely at a stage where things are harder just because we've already culled so much. But another round of ruthless reduction is coming, I can feel it.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
7. Why do you have to have another round
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:05 PM
Sep 2012

of ruthless reduction? I guess that is where I am right now. I have made more room (and I am still in the process so will have more room free), and I have the space for what is here now. Unless I found out that I had to move to a small place, or that I was dying and didn't want to leave a mess for someone to deal with, I don't see a reason to push myself to cull more. Luckily, I am not big on shopping or collecting things, so it really doesn't get worse for me.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
8. I still have clothes I haven't worn in years tucked into drawers, books I'm never going to
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:31 PM
Sep 2012

read again, that sort of thing.

Some of it is just that we don't have efficient storage ... things have been financially really tight for a while, and while that means I don't spend much, it also means I don't get rid of things quickly, and I don't have the freedom to simply buy a decent filing cabinet...

I don't have the collecting 'gene' either. Or the thrift store gene - I'll go to Goodwill if I've got something specific in mind, but I don't go there just to check out the wares.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
12. Oh, you are not at ruthless reduction yet.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:29 PM
Sep 2012

Clothes you never wear, books you will never read! Easy peasy. Have fun with the books and just leave them in strange places. I leave books that I will not want to re-read in places like laundry mats, hospital waiting rooms, etc. And always the library for book sales. It makes getting rid of anything easier if you know that they will continue to be of use to someone.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
14. We have a trade rack in the laundromat. People, including tourists, bring their books,
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:59 PM
Sep 2012

magazines, even dvd's, and leave them. Then they take what they want.

Wish we could do that with other things.

While visiting other areas of the country where there was no trash pickup, I saw similar setups for all sorts of thing. In the dump, there would often be an area where you could put things someone else might want. Would be nice to have that everywhere.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
18. I agree that it would be an excellent idea
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:19 PM
Sep 2012

to have trash-to-treasure places for all those things that just should not go into the trash. There are websites to list things you want to get rid of, no charge...but that means you still have to keep it at your house when you are ready for it to be gone. People here put things out by their trash hoping that people will take them, but that isn't a sure thing and the trash collector may get there first. I suppose that charities that have resale shops and yard sales are the closest we have.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
22. Reminds me of a guy I met in NYC in the 1980s.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:51 PM
Sep 2012

He would scavenge the sidewalk trash on the upper eastside and upper westside of Manhattan. It was so profitable, he used cabs for transportation back home to Brooklyn, where he sorted his treasures for resale.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,682 posts)
33. FREECYCLE!
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:54 PM
Apr 2013

There are some Freecycle groups on Yahoo and others at Freecycle.org. You can give stuff away or request things you need. When I moved from a house with gas to one that was all electric, I gave away ab old but working gas dryer. I got lucky and omeone gave me and old but working electric dryer.

There is also a "free" category on Craigslist. If you just want to put your stuff out and be done with it, you can post it as a "curb alert".

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
34. I think that I am going to regret that.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:45 PM
Apr 2013

I signed up for membership in my area's group, and I feel as if I got into one of the circles of hell. But I have to wait for my membership to be approved before I can see what is happening in my little part of the world. So.....I don't even know if I will like this.

Hopefully, my concerns will be unfounded. I already have some contacts of people who will take anything of metal, and my branches that are always falling from the trees, but I have much more that should go.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,682 posts)
35. It worked out well for me in Austin
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:50 PM
Apr 2013

I downsized over a period of 3 years after moving from my own apartment to living with roommates. I also lost a lot of weight and got rid of my fat clothes.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
36. At least there was a group where I live,
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:57 PM
Apr 2013

which surprises me. But......I have already got 12 emails from them with rules and where are you and what is your zip code and send us this password and........ agh. And I still have no idea what there is at the site yet.

But getting rid of a lot of things here is important, and it is spring cleaning time!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. I know a lot of places like that, attached to dumps in the northeast.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:56 PM
Mar 2013

They have cutsie names, like the Goodie Bag, the Swap Shop, the Treasure Chest, etc. You drop off your old stuff, you "shop" for what you want--all free.

Some places, particularly in summer, people will just throw stuff out on the curb with a big sign that says FREE. I got rid of a couple of huge old armchairs (too big for the room, really) that way. Put 'em out in the morning, they were gone before the late news!

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
16. I know - there is still some easy tossing-out to do.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:07 PM
Sep 2012

My husband had a monstrous 2-car garage and a separate basement full of ham radio stuff when we first met. Along with satellite stuff. I probably have 1/4 of the amount of total stuff, he has (or had) 3/4.

We have a humane society thrift store here that gets a lot of our books; they may get a treasure trove of DVDs one of these days when I convince my husband to toss them.

I leave coupons in the laundromat My mother is an avid coupon-clipper and I get thick envelopes of many coupons I won't ever use... so I choose what I want, and leave the rest at the laundromat.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. It's the things that have been soaked in memories and acquired meaning that are the hardest
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:11 PM
Sep 2012

to get rid of, and that's a good thing, imo. You may pass on those things and they will acquire even more meaning.

So, I would disagree with you, Curmudgeoness. You do have good reason to hang on to some things. They keep you tied to things or people that you love. Nothing wrong with that.


But the clothes? Dump them. My rule, when I had a lot of clothes, was that if I hadn't worn it in a year, it had to go. Salvation Army was quite thankful. My rule now is when a piece becomes unusable (or my husband is a bit embarrassed for me to wear it in public), it gets replaced.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. I absolutely dumped a lot of clothes.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:24 PM
Sep 2012

It was more a matter of being too lazy to clean out the closets than a hoarding thing. I give the clothes to the women's shelter, since many of these women have left with little more than the clothes on their backs. But I also give to Salvation Army and Goodwill...it all depends on which is more convenient at the time or which direction I will be going to do chores.

Too bad that I don't have a husband to let me know when my clothes are getting embarrassing!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
23. I should be so lucky!
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:53 PM
Sep 2012

I doubt that any of them are worth much to anyone but me. My family was poor, so none of the things they ever bought were high quality (meaning expensive). And that is usually the standard for things that hold value.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
24. Not always. Rarity adds value for collectors. You never know.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:01 PM
Sep 2012

Think of all those things that used to be cheap, or even free, like baseball cards, used stamps, depression era glass etc..
Lots of folk have stumbled into small and not so small fortunes by re-examining their junk. Remember, the older it is, the rarer it is likely to be. Just sayin'

NMDemDist2

(49,314 posts)
25. after the Kerry loss in 2004, i was SO depressed
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:22 PM
Sep 2012

i quit reading the main forums completely, focusing on my home and cooking ect.

there was some threads about feng shi posted here at DU (links in my journal if you're interested) http://journals.democraticunderground.com/AZDemDist6/11

that helped a lot on how to figure out what to purge from my house.

i have very little clutter now

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
27. I don't know about "minimalist"
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:47 AM
Sep 2012

but I am a purger. I get tired of working around things, cleaning things, and storing things that I'll never use. Twice a year (spring and fall) we do our DEEP cleaning -- cupboards, shelves, closets, drawers and all 4 sides of the yard. We're doing it now as a matter of fact and not only is it a great opportunity to rediscover what you'd forgotten you have, it's the BEST time to purge. The vast majority of which is donated or recycled.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
28. I've always done this as well and want to thank you for the reminder that it is probably time to
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 08:49 AM
Sep 2012

do it again.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
29. I will be going minimalist soon
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:15 PM
Sep 2012

And I don't have too much of a problem relying on technology to reduce my possessions, other than the plastic and slave labor involved. (I'm always looking out for naturally constructed stuff and every time I buy a medium or high priced Chinese made product, I make a point of donating a percentage of whatever I paid to a Chinese labor defense group.) I have a kindle so all my reading material will go on that and whatever is on the web.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
30. One of the first things I did was scan all of my photos and toss the originals.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:21 PM
Sep 2012

While I had some trepidations about doing this, I am glad that I did.

Good for you on you decision to donate when you buy. Excellent idea.

NMDemDist2

(49,314 posts)
32. i was so depressed after Kerry's loss in 2004 I cleaned house
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:58 PM
Apr 2013

for months.

there were a couple threads on Feng Shui (http://journals.democraticunderground.com/AZDemDist6/11 for the links) and i went through the house asking about everything 'do i love it? do i use it?' and if the answer was 'no' to either, out it went

now we have the same rule that cbayer has. if something comes in, something goes out.

and i throw out anything i haven't worn twice a year when i switch from summer wardrobe to winter and vice versa. if i made it through the season and didn't wear it, i pass it on to someone who can/will

it's great.

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