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TexasTowelie

(116,839 posts)
Wed May 8, 2024, 07:58 PM May 2024

08 May: Nice! Ukrainians unleash flying machine guns to storm Russian positions - Reporting from Ukraine



Day 805: May 08

Today, there are a lot of updates from the Avdiivka direction.

Here, Russians have paid a heavy toll in their attempts to cross the fields in front of Umanske.

After breaking through the Ukrainian defenses in the north and taking control over the settlement of Ocheretyne, Russians have slowly diverted their offensive actions towards their objectives in the North. This change of direction confused many analysts, as Russians had initially focused on the Ukrainian defenses to the West. The ultimate Russian goal to the West is to take control over Pokrovsk, which serves as the main Ukrainian headquarters in this direction. However, if we look at the developments in the fields in front of Umanske, we can better understand how the Russians have been forced to deprioritize their ambitious goal of taking Pokrovsk.

As you may remember, Russians had conducted a large wave of attacks in the fields between Umanske and Tonenke. Ultimately, these attacks failed due to a multitude of reasons. Firstly, if we look at the geography of the region, we can see that Russian attacks through these fields are funneled together by the rivers to the north and south. Additionally, the river branch stretching through the fields condenses the funnel even further. This forces any Russian attack to follow a predictable path, making them far more manageable for Ukrainian defenders, as they can open fire on them from multiple directions.

Secondly, this direction was being defended by the Ukrainian 25th airborne brigade and the 53rd mechanized brigade. Both consist of experienced and well-equipped soldiers who are more than capable of fending off Russian attacks. A Ukrainian military blogger stated that Ukrainian defenders had established well-prepared positions, utilizing the terrain to draw Russian assault groups into kill zones before finishing them off with anti-tank mines, ATGMs, artillery, and FPV drones. The Ukrainian blogger also stated that Russian assault groups lacked tactics in their attempted breakthroughs, being unprepared to dynamically face the Ukrainian defense.

After these failed assault waves, Ukrainian military bloggers shared satellite images showcasing the huge Russian losses in the fields in front of Tonenke. The military bloggers state that the fields in front of Tonenke had turned into a graveyard of Russian armored vehicles. The images show the disabled and destroyed wreaks of 77 Russian armored vehicles, to only 5 Ukrainian vehicles. The military bloggers also stated that the satellite images only show the most intense and concentrated clashes between Russian and Ukrainian units. Russian forces had also conducted numerous attacks with smaller assault groups consisting of one or two armored vehicles at a time. Adding these Russian losses to the total amounts to over 100 Russian losses in tanks and armored vehicles alone.

After these failed initial attacks, a Russian officer stated that Russian forces would ultimately be able to overload the Ukrainian defenses if they only sent forward more waves of armored assaults. As it turns out, the Russian commanders followed his advice and immediately started a monthlong operation to cross the fields. A Ukrainian soldier active in the area stated that throughout this operation, Russians conducted constant artillery preparations on Ukrainian positions with artillery, multiple rocket launch systems, and air strikes with “fab” glide bombs and “kab” guided munitions.

In response, Ukrainian drone operators undermined Russian close-fire support capabilities by targeting Russian mortar emplacements with FPV drones. Russian forces attempted to hide these emplacements in the settlement of Tonenke. Still, they were constantly spotted, as the intensity of fighting here had left the settlement in ruins, leaving little cover for the Russian mortar teams or infantry.

Over the next two weeks, Russians continued their mechanized assaults through the fields. Ukrainian forces released a multitude of combat footage showing how they repelled or destroyed these Russian attacks with guided anti-tank missiles and FPV kamikaze drones. As the monthlong battle went on, and Russian armor losses kept mounting, Russian forces started decreasing the armored support of their infantry fighting in the fields. Ukrainian fighters in the area stated that Russians started using tanks more sparingly and from increasingly larger ranges as indirect fire platforms...
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08 May: Nice! Ukrainians unleash flying machine guns to storm Russian positions - Reporting from Ukraine (Original Post) TexasTowelie May 2024 OP
Thanks TT! SleeplessinSoCal May 2024 #1
You're welcome. TexasTowelie May 2024 #3
Slava Ukraini. Thank you for the update. niyad May 2024 #2
You're welcome. TexasTowelie May 2024 #4
drone mounted machine guns and recoil. lapfog_1 May 2024 #5
Not ready for primetime yet. bluedigger May 2024 #6

TexasTowelie

(116,839 posts)
4. You're welcome.
Wed May 8, 2024, 08:24 PM
May 2024

Unfortunately RFU is going through a second wave of bot attacks and YouTube suspended two of the foreign language accounts.

lapfog_1

(30,168 posts)
5. drone mounted machine guns and recoil.
Wed May 8, 2024, 08:35 PM
May 2024

you would need an old technology from the 1960s... and modify it to a machine gun rather than small magazine.



The Gyrojet. A totally recoil-less gun and the "bullets" ( small rockets ) stabilize themselves in flight. Not that accurate at long distance and not that dangerous at close range... but deadly at 30 meters or more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet

Of course they would need to redesign the entire gun and ammo but it would give them a real advantage when mounted on a light weight drone. Fortunately I believe the barrel of the gun would be easy to machine as tolerances are not that fine. A machine gun adaptation (which the makers planned but never implemented) should be possible too, but only at a modest firing rate given how the guns operate (no explosive charge).

bluedigger

(17,148 posts)
6. Not ready for primetime yet.
Wed May 8, 2024, 09:23 PM
May 2024

By the time they solve the technical problems and upsize the platform to carry a useful ammo supply the cost will be prohibitive, given that any cheap unarmed drone can disable the platform and crash it. No bang for the buck.

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