you wouldn't give a shit one way or the other?

Explaining what attracts those that make this their single and only issue and primary cause in life.

When someone adopts another people's cause as their own and it becomes their one and only struggle in life -- simply because they despise what they believe to be "Jewish Privelege" or are jealous of "Jewish success ".

It goes hand in hand with adopting the Palestinian people's cause and making it ones own personal and only cause on the one hand and minimizing Antisemitism on the other hand.

That doesn't even make sense.

Great rebuttal



LOL

...for clarification.

Good post, indeed.

C ya

Haters gonna hate.

Right-libertarian bloggers at WaPo don't interest me much.

...he cites a tumblr blog and a former editor at AIPAC?

LOL indeed. LOL indeed.

Than anything .

Almost certainly Democrat

AIPAC is supported by almost every Democratic Party rep except maybe Kucinech.

If I held your views I could never vote Democratic Party.

I have no qualms being involved in our party... It gels so much more with my view on Zionism than yours ... Don't know how you hold your nose and vote Democratic Party... I could never do that if I held your views.... Shkaich.

MJ Rosenberg is former editor for AIPC's nrewsletter, and was the director of policy at the Israle Policy Forum.

Tumblr is a great place to go if you need gifs from the latest Game of Thrones episode or arguments over what color a dress is.

Mondoweiss is not a hate site. Sorry Dave.

Mondoweis actually is an inconsequential vanity site with a tiny minuscule readership with one Jewish blogger who thinks he's a Jewish savior.

The last remaining righteous Jew in the USA and the others in the world being the 15 post Zionists on small town provincially thinking socially conservative homophobic kibbutzim in Israel .

It's weird for Bernstein to let his hair catch on fire about how Mondoweiss is (according to some very interested and generally ignorant parties) a "hate site" given that he's the author of a book that pans the very concept of anti-discrimination laws, You Can't Say That. he also frequently rants about the left and, as we see on the blog post you provided, "marxists." Though, at least he does update his piece to include a link to Weiss' reply, so even if mildly incoherent, he seems to have a sense of fair play.



I don't much give a damn about your opinion of Phillip Weiss or his site, Dave. And if you haven't figured out by now, I'm not swayed by arguments that consist of stringing a long ramble of invective together. I'm simply here to point out that one, Mondoweiss is not a "hate site." Two, the sources claiming it is are... well, they're not very strong, as sources go. And three, I actually kind of like disco music.

That third one is irrelevant but stopping at two felt awkward.

&quot you)don't much give a damn about (my) opinion "

That's just creepy that you asking for my opinion if that's the case.

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You post from his blog constantly, so do you feel the same way?

I read the Mondo Weiss post “Forgiving the anti-Semites”, (http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/forgiving-anti-semites)and it didn’t strike me as anti-Semitic at all. It contains observations about the American Jewish experience from several people, and then also some musings on these observations.

Bernstein’s major hangup seems to be a passage about how Weiss explains the Israel lobby: “I said that it reflected a contract the American establishment had made with Jews to drive the economy in the 1970s”. Improperly interpreted, this could be a reference right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but no, I don’t think so. I simply interpret it as American Jews supported Israel, and that their support for Israel then became widespread among the whole political spectrum. However, I personally don’t know how it came to be that Israel has so much support in the US.

The whole Bernstein article is long and rambling, and contains a lot of things that are unrelated to Mondo Weiss, like references to Gilad Atzmon and Muslims as a powerless, disenfranchised minority. There are two links in the beginning, one goes to a retarded tumbler account, (http://mondotruth.tumblr.com/) the other goes to an article at the Tikkun Daily website called “Mondoweiss & Is Anti-Semitism Dead?” (http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2014/03/16/is-anti-semitism-dead/).

The Tikkun Daily article is interesting, at least for me. It contains a talkback written by one of the editors which I agree with fully. His definition of anti-Semitism is “hating Jews and wishing them ill”, which is close to how I define anti-Semitism: “Racism specifically directed at Jews”

(1st response to article, snip)
Rabbi Michael Lerner March 16, 2014 at 10:48 am
I’ve always been thrilled to have MJ Rosenberg as one of our bloggers. But I have to strongly object to calling Mondoweiss Anti-Semitic. I do believe that their constant criticism of Israel is unfair, one-sided, and shows none of the compassion that we progressives ought to be showing to those with whom we disagree. I do often disagree with articles that are published on that site (but then again, I often disagree with articles published on this Tikkun Daily blog, and I’m the editor (who believes in free speech). Yet I think it is a disservice to the term ‘anti-Semitism” to use it as equivalent to having unfair and excessive criticism of Israel. The term means “hating Jews and wishing them ill,” and I don’t believe that the editors at Mondoweiss fit that description. Nor do I think it appropriate for our Tikkun Daily blog to be a place where we throw that term around except where it applies–to groups that do in fact hate Jews and wish Jews ill. There are such groups, and they have been popping up all over Europe once again and most recently in the Ukraine. So I want to apologize to Mondoweiss for this article and urge all who use this site to avoid those kinds of accusations unless they are backed up with detailed specific examples that prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. –Rabbi Michael Lerner, Editor, Tikkun
(end snip)

I think Bernstein’s article in no way proves or manages to show there is a possiblity that Mondo Weiss is a hate site. In a way it proves the opposite, as Bernstein really had to grasp at straws to get material for his article.

That poster is misinterpreting Weiss in the same way that Bernstein did.

The Volokh Conspiracy is a blog, founded in 2002, covering legal and political issues from an ideological orientation it describes as "generally libertarian, conservative, centrist, or some mixture of these."

In January 2014 The Volokh Conspiracy migrated to the Washington Post and was moved behind a paywall in June 2014. The Volokh Conspiracy retains full editorial control over its content.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Volokh_Conspiracy

As has been demonstrated not only is Weiss apparently Antisemitic but also a contributor to conservative publications.

Mondoweiss has no place on a progressive sure site as ours .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134102914#post15


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134102914#post8


Weiss suggested (a) that Jews are more inclined to cheat than are non-Jews, and indeed Jews don’t even recognize it as cheating; (b) that the American non-Jewish establishment made some sort of deal with the Jews back in the 70s, in which Jews provided their economic prowess to the U.S. in exchange for support for the Israel lobby (indeed, that one is so ridiculous that my fingers rebelled at typing it); (c) Jewish media company CEOs force their Gentile employees to express support for Israel and (d) that Jews need to “understand our role” in causing the Holocaust because of the “power” we had. Weiss now elaborates that he’s talking about Jewish economic power, as if the German Jew who started as a peddler and built his business into a chain of department stores wasn’t simply an individual Jewish businessman who found success, but instead part of a cabal of Jews using their “power” to undermine the Gentiles, who retaliated via the Holocaust.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/04/mondoweiss-is-a-hate-site/

a) Jews are more inclined to cheat than are non-Jews, and indeed Jews don’t even recognize it as cheating;

(b) The American non-Jewish establishment made some sort of deal with the Jews back in the 70s, in which Jews provided their economic prowess to the U.S. in exchange for support for the Israel lobby

(c) Jewish media company CEOs force their Gentile employees to express support for Israel and

(d) that Jews need to “understand our role” in causing the Holocaust because of the “power” we had. Weiss now elaborates that he’s talking about Jewish economic power, as if the German Jew who started as a peddler and built his business into a chain of department stores wasn’t simply an individual Jewish businessman who found success, but instead part of a cabal of Jews using their “power” to undermine the Gentiles, who retaliated via the Holocaust.

Had the good sense to use ignore as I don't see that used as a source to much here - not without serious pushback. Weiss is repulsive and 98 percent of Jews either have no idea the worm even exist or think he's an imbecile. His self hatred is almost a parody.

monodies is garbage.

That it's used here as reliable is a stain on DU - a stain that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Like counterpunch who many DUers defend even though they are publishing articles written by bigots of every stripe.

Besides, if Israelis and their supporters are really so concerned about the use of their vaunted religio-national symbol by critics and detractors, let them worry about ending the occupation first. When the Star of David stands for humanist values and not for oppression, its use in artistic works will diminish and it will be far easier to distinguish the anti-Semites from the rest. Until then, let that Star be an object of contempt. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/star-david-game#sthash.zMrJnb99.dpuf

I don’t think you can forgive Hitler. But forgive Europe? Maybe that is necessary. It should not be so fresh in our minds, here in the U.S. Maybe that means telling the story differently, understanding our own role. It was never a fair fight. But we always had a kind of power. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/forgiving-anti-semites#sthash.pBsiDi3R.dpuf

From the Ryan Dawson's anti-Neocons site, this is said to be a photo from 2006 of Congresswoman Jane Harman and Bush Homeland Security boss Michael Chertoff, a former prosecutor, out for a jog. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/birds-of-a-feather#sthash.3O6beiHQ.dpuf

I tried to Google "Ryan Dawson Mondoweiss", but it didn't help...

but linking to the source of the picture isn't really a promotion of the views at the link...

That's progress.

Now connect the dots with Marc H. Ellis & Mondoweiss.

Jews.

I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and it's actually good for me to be taken down a notch. I can't promise you I'll connect the dots the way you do about Ellis and Mondoweiss, but I'll have a look...

However, your sentiment is certainly understandable. In the Golden Age of Constantinian Judaism, what Jew with a conscience wants to identify with normative Jewish life?

Like many Jews of Conscience, Shlomo, you’re fed-up with all things Jewish. Your tone is searching and declarative.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/shlomo-resign-jewish#sthash.FT1Ffqni.dpuf

Marc H. Ellis is an extremely popular writer for Mondoweiss.

From Ellis' Future of the Prophetic: Israel’s Ancient Wisdom Re-presented:

You see, if you want to export the Holocaust you have to believe it. Believing it isn’t about whether the Holocaust happened or not, that’s the easy way out. Believing the Holocaust is about Jewish innocence. Translated, Jewish innocence is about Jewish exceptionality. Translated further, Jewish innocence is about Jewish destiny. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/exile-and-the-prophetic-jewish-holocaust-missionaries#sthash.IKuccvBO.dpuf

Shows how Mondoweiss is exactly the same as the "Kahanist" sites.

Mondoweiss on Joseph Massad: "is there much or any difference today between Jews and the Nazis who persecuted them?"
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/prophetic-massad-strikes

Decent people would acknowledge the bigotry and stop posting from his Jew hating, Hamas supporting site.

scouring old posts to cry about.

On my way into the New Israel Fund Haaretz conference on the future of Israel Sunday morning I felt I had made a mistake in coming. The long security line was filled with American and Israeli Jews, some talking Hebrew, and I felt angry and duped that anyone would even undertake a discussion of this huge political question with a Jim Crow crowd. That American Jews could tell themselves that it was sufficient to gather Jews to the issue was (as always) infuriating. It would be like negotiating the future of the American South with a conference of white people. And at the same time, the monocultural crowd gave me confidence about my progressive community’s inevitability. If Jews must maintain a majority even in these conversations– well, Zionism really is self-defeating. I texted a friend, “I hate Zionism.”

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/netanyahu-politicians-community

The very definition of self-hating Jew. Anyone who wants to use that site for a source shows where they're coming from immediately.

You haven't managed to convince me that Mondoweiss is unsuitable to use as a source in this forum, nor have you convinced me that it's an anti-Semitic site. Some articles from Mondoweiss should obviously have been edited, but it's not a newspaper, so it's unavoidable that a few substandard / problematic articles will slip through.

The thing is, I can't see any of that anti-Semitism that supposed to be rampant at Mondoweiss. There's lot of criticism of Israel, but as long as it's justified, I have no problem with that.

I will continue reading what you're posting in this thread, but I will probably continue to draw a different conclusion.

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How about hearing or seeing Muslim sounding names? Are you fed up with all things Muslim yet? You should ask yourself if there is a difference between Muslims & Nazis.

You think Muslims lie and cheat and don't recognize it as such? That Muslims need to understand their role in bringing catastrophe upon themselves?

The crescent moon should be an object of contempt from now on - okay?



That's all indicative of the trash Mondoweiss posts on a daily basis - found in many examples above.

How the hell is that not racist?

Mondoweiss is an anti-Israel blog that continues to grow in popularity, it helps that the site is designed to look like a journo blog without pix of klashnikov bearing hearties and palestinian flags. It has been criticized as anti-Semitic which MW bloggers deny with hyperbolic vigor suggestive of persecution complexes, MW is a deeply racist site that doesn't limit its hatred to Jews.

MW published a Joseph Massad article claiming that "the Jewishness that most Jews celebrate (is) colonial and criminal" it turns out Joey uses stormfront material which is unsurprising since he thinks being Jewish is a crime. They support terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians as "legitimate resistance." For another example here's a blogger telling readers to beware of opinions held by those with Jewish names:

"When you read an article on Israel/Palestine or a letter to the editor, isn’t one of the first things you do to check the name and see if the person is Jewish or not? Doing so is not giving in to anti-semitism. It’s a simple way to prepare yourself for possible bias on the part of the reporter or letter-writer."

There's a term for telling readers to distrust people who are perceived to have a Jewish name but isn't 'criticism of Israel.'

much more to be continued below...
http://nicknipclose.blogspot.com/2013/05/mondo-weiss-racist-sewer.html

*Jack Ross a neo-nazi who used to write for the holocaust denial mag 'the barnes review' found a home at MW becoming part of the team. Philip Weiss the founder praised him as a man who writes "glorious" material "with the same fierce focus and concision" he makes it clear that they are close friends since he "was one of the first people to reach out to me on this site four years ago. We met at a chocolate bar near Union Square then at Junior's on Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn. Jack was built like a lineman, with an Abe Lincoln beard, and was just 22 but if you shut your eyes and listened to him you would think he was 50." He stops just short of claiming that the goose stepper is "90 feet tall and his adventures are legendary" though Ross probably does think that the only good Chinaman is a dead Chinaman.

*MW supports and cites axis fan Justin Raimondo the same guy who thinks that fascist imperial Japan should have won the pacific war and that the Poles were to blame for the holocaust.

*The site has nothing but kind words for Helen Thomas.

*MW published a "homage" to the totalitarian bigot Alexander Cockburn who published blood libels and CP recently published a homage to Pol Pot written by neo-Nazi Israel Shamir which denies the Cambodian genocide.

*Marc Ellis made a rancid incoherent argument claiming that Jews "sell the holocaust" playing in stereotypes about Jews by claiming that they're so crafty that they'll exploit their own genocide! What idiocy. He also made another racist comment where he claimed that "“to speak of the Holocaust without confessing our sins towards the Palestinian people and seeking a real justice with them is a hypocrisy that debases us as Jews" he's the worst christian since the guy who came up with veggie tales.

Totalitarianism:

An apologist's mission is to teleport the blame for actions off the shoulders of the responsible party and onto another party which is what neo-nazi Jack Ross does in an MW article that sounds like a parody of Pat Buchanan least lucid moments. From 'On the neocons’ Munich comparisons':

"When considering the idea that Israel will be "the new Czechoslovakia", we must remember that Czechoslovakia, like Israel, was a state that should never have come into existence. "

So MW doesn't think that Israel has any right to exist.

"And with respect to "appeasement" generally, World War II did not begin because Chamberlain "appeased" Hitler at Munich. On the contrary, Chamberlain had a Wilsonian/neocon conceit to intervene there in the first place, and once he had done so decided he could regulate Hitler's designs by giving the war guarantee to Poland. To repeat - it was not the appeasement, but the internationalist hubris and bellicosity - of Chamberlain which started World War II."

Blaming the oldest parliamentary democracy for the actions of one of the most heinous states in history is nothing more than nazi apologia the paragraph is nothing more than neo-nazi fiction which finds forum and support at mondo weiss. One of the few MW fans with a conscience wrote:

"in other words world war II began, not because hitler invaded poland, but because britian declared war on germany?!! you're nuts! or jack ross is nuts! go join pat buchanan in a rendition of deutschland uber alles!"

Thats right even a regular poster on a hate filled comments sections MW published nazi apologia.

Anti-Tibetan Racism:

Teddy doesn't seem to like Buddhists much he describes the Dalai Lama in language that makes the PRC's lingo seem tame. He dives into the waters of neo-colonialism by ranting about the "peerless theocratic barbarism of his clerical antecedents in Tibet whose rule was marked by torture, amputations and serfdom." Describing one of the oldest and richest cultures that way is racism that should disgust anyone with a conscience, its actually worse than the views of classic colonists many of whom praised Hindu and Berber cultures.

Apologists/supporters of PRC rule in Tibet justify it by arguing that Tibet is an inferior hell populated by subhumans too inferior to rule themselves; if they were in the 1920s they would probably be arguing that Congolese are cannibalistic hordes who need Belgium's gentle hand. Its a stomach churning exercise in sociopathy where obscure intellectually deformed troglodytes portray an ancient culture as inferior superstition that should be wiped out and replaced by China soul crushing brand of totalitarianism. By writing his article Teddy has joined men who lack conscience and character in supporting colonial rule and the eradication of a culture and religion using the oldest type of colonial propaganda that tars a people and their entire history as inferior.

Besides his claims about Tibet are not even true; it was remarkably advanced with no death penalty, with great art, free available education through monasteries, it wasn't nearly as autocratic as pre-colonial China, Women had a remarkably high status (far higher than in modern Palestine or any of the other regimes MW supports) and had a very small unfree population. A study of Tibet does not reveal a hell of "theocratic barbarism" or "torture" but one of the richest and oldest cultures on earth, that will survive both Chinese totalitarianism and the impotent racist rants of obscure curs with keyboards lashing out at a grand country that they do not have the intelligence to even comprehend. People like Teddy are so deformed in mind and filled with hate that they attack things greater than themselves or their facile identities.

https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/get-involved/action-toolbox/a-lie-repeated-the-far-left2019s-flawed-history-of-tibet

Ted's source for that Maoist bit of hyperbole is 'dissident voice' a hate site that denies the Rwanda genocide which is proof of nothing but Teddy (and MW's) racism. The author of the DV piece is Gearóid Ó Colmáin a stalinist who supports Chinese colonial rule in Tibet, denies the Rwanda genocide, praises Stalin on his execrable blog and every regime he can find, apart from being the worst thing to come out of Eire since riverdance. Colmain is not a historian in fact I doubt he's capable of learning or possessing important skills or knowledge, maybe next time Ted can cite Jeff Rense on the Nanking massacre.

Gearoid's bio informs the reader that he "is a member of Pôle de renaissance communiste en France (PRCF) a political movement which advocates Marxism-Leninism and the formation of a revolutionary communist party in France" its almost enough to make one think that the people at fuckfrance.com have a point. Colmain describes Maoist autocratic rule in Tibet as a process that brought Tibet "from serfdom to people's democracy" and claims that the Dalai Lama had "connections with nazism" rancid filth from an obviously diseased mind. If Carlos the jackal had a blog, Gearoid's articles would make Ilich Ramírez Sánchez's ramblings seem intelligent by comparison.

He describes Tibetan protesters as savages who smashed "skulls" while presenting Chinese police as heroes. In Colmain's festering excuse for a brain Tibetan self-immolations are "barbarous acts" of "terrorism and violence" he claims that coverage of said acts prove only "western moral degeneracy" (which is as hilarious as being called a slut by Linda Lovelace) its some of the heinous anti-Tibetan racism I've ever read, which is endorsed by Teddy bore and mondo weiss who obviously agree with it. So that makes mondo weiss and Theodore racists who support of colonial rule in Tibet with an article on a fringe hate site written by a Stalinist maniac; so criticism of Harris from them is a moot point, they have no moral high ground or any ethics at all.

Your arguments don't make much sense the way they're presented.

Mondoweiss clearly supports car rammings, knifing Jews, etc...

Phil Weiss justifying and defending terror vs. Jews...

It's over a year old (original post)

@Shira - Please start a new post with new links which can refer/link back to points you make here. But to resurrect this old post is not helpful.

Lithos