it is natural that popular opinion will reflect that perception.
I can only say that I am ashamed that more people don't invest in getting a greater understanding of the situation.
I spent most of my adult life staying out of the I/P situation but even a modest effort to learn more made me question Israeli policy and practice.

The Palestinian viewpoint is extremely well represented - especially online.

they represent a very small minority of Democrats and Americans. They MUST blame something other than the facts so just in a few posts I see blame for the media and that Americans are stupid when even or own party strongly sympathizes with Israel over the Palestinians. Let them live in denial.

Constituents which is their job. Americans support Israel...even when they have an asshole in charge.

An Israeli perspective is always there on the TV and newspapers.

Certainly, it is trending in that direction.

If one googles Israeli-Palestinian conflict, one will find a plethora of perspectives. Twitter, likewise.

In fact, among young people I think the Palestinian perspective is more prevalent - especially on college campuses.

And that it focused very heavily on American domestic news, relying more on following AP and Reuters stories than generating independent content, right?

pro-Palestinian coverage while they were on.

I get my news from online sources and there are a plethora that are decidedly pro-Palestinian in their coverage.

The easy access to so much detailed reporting online from the Palestinian perspective, as well as the myriad of personal blogs and websites that regularly publish pro-Palestinian editorials, has created an environment where there is more access to pro-Palestinian news sources today than at any time in history.

Would you disagree with that?

However, the majority of Americans gather their news from the "big three" Cable news outlets (Fox, CNN, MSNBC), whether through the television or online. The bulk of the remaining sources are a very small handful of national news publications. So that there are more outlets online than there have been in years past is true, but also meaningless to the point - the majority of Americans form their opinions from this very small selection of news sources. None of these sources are pro-Palestinian by any measure.

Also, a bit disingenuous of you to try to cite pro-Palestinian online sources, when you put so much effort and rhetoric into discrediting the same at every turn.

The majority of Americans do use those sources. I am just saying that there is more access today to alternate sources that ever before.

There are definitely pro-Palestinian sources that are not entirely credible. I do try to call them on their BS when I see it. The MSM is not entirely credible either and lots of folks here call Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc out for their BS too. That back and forth is also what is so great about the current internet age. Nothing goes unchallenged. Everyone must be able to stand up to serious scrutiny, because everyone will be scrutinized.

Iran wants to wipe them off the face of the earth.

It seems the only place I see Americans trashing Israel is on sites like this one. Here's the Tablet's take on the poll in the context of the Iran deal:

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/198039/gallup-poll-democratic-support-for-israel-rose-four-percent-last-year?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=53ab827cdb-Tuesday_March_1_20163_1_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-53ab827cdb-206638286

America strongly stands with Israel.

I'm a proud Zionist.

As far as Americans go, the strong support for Israel remains a STRONG majority (4-1). So don't kid yourself - even atheists sympathize more with Israel. Even the 18-29 year olds. Not one broken out group sympathizes more with the Palestinians. Adn the numbers haven't gone down - they've gone UP. It's time for you to accept it and start asking yourself why this is.

And once again, the percentage of those who sympathize with the Palestinians is pathetically small. You and others keep claiming it's changing and every year gallup proves you wrong. One day you'll face reality and on that day you'll start looking at why it is the way it is. Obviously that day is not today and that's not mine or Israel's problem in the slightest.

And their representatives are OBVIOUSLY doing their job representing their constituents. Even among Democrats - the majority sympathizes with Israel and the percentage that sympathizes with the Palestinians is a dismal 23%. Even atheists sympathize more. There isn't one group of Americans where more than 1/3 agree with you and not one group where the majority agrees with you. But keep your head in the sand, it's doing wonders for Palestinian lives.

and my heads not in the sand nor do I depend on Republican support either to inflate numbers

where republicans and independents don't count among Americans. Why on earth should even Democrats put their asses on the line for a group of people who can't garner more than 20% support in any poll (and 20% would be high)? The answer is there is no reason and it will never happen. And the Palestinians will continue to suffer while you pretend otherwise. Nice work.

anything done for the Palestinians Go ahead and pretend the support for the Palestinians in the US isn't a pathetically small number. They're sure to get a state and better living conditions while you continue to keep your head in the sand and pretend that the DEMOCRATS support them (the numbers are right there - more than twice the support for Israel AMONG DEMOCRATS). Want to ignore the Democrats also?

Are you having problems deciphering them ?

being credited in no small part to older church going Republicans

that of Democrats supporting Palestinians over Israel......

MORE THAN DOUBLE !!!!

when people point that out. He likes to pretend the support is MASSIVE and it's only republicans and independents that skew the results. The more than double support for Israel among Democrats hasn't penetrated yet. But it's early.

for some in this group ....

Myself I am a proud supporter of the Democratic Party.....

More than double. .... LOL

how it's the republicans skewing the numbers. Can't even crack 25% support among DEMOCRATS. And instead of facing reality and asking why this is the way it is, just complains about republicans like that matters. Madness.

I would find a party that supported my position, because it's pretty obvious the Democratic Party will never ever take up those positions.

Israel and the Palestinians, or a primary election in either party among them, Israel would win every state in either type of contest. Reagan only beat Mondale by 18 points and won 49/50 states. If Reagan had won 58-28, he might have gotten Minnesota too.

among Democrats but like to pretend the problem is republicans. Head in the sand doesn't even cover that level of denial.

I find what seems to be the apparent dependence on Republican opinion amusing

a woman. I hope you know I wasn't looking to be insulting and I have no idea why I thought you were a man.

You don't seem to get it. FORGET THE REPUBLICANS - even among Democrats sympathies for the Palestinians don't crack 1/4 - what do you have to say about that?

roughly 50% for Israel
25% for Palestinians
25% don't care either way

Without republicans it averages to 54.5% for Israel and 19% for the Palestinians - nothing rough about it. I can actually do math.

but whatever you need to do, I guess 50/25/25 isn't good enough huh?

But it's exactly 54% for Israel among Demorats .

23% for Palestinians,among Democrats- less than half the number FOR Israel among Democrats.

No math necessary

( yours is faulty anyway)

Just read the poll

I said in my break down roughly and I'll add within margin of error too

By more than double, more than double the number of Democrats supporting Israel over Palestinians than Democrats supporting Palestinians over Israel....



More than double....

LOL

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to point that out

More than double the number of them support Israel in the IP conflict than do those Democrats who support the Palestinians in this conflict.

They both Democratic Party candidates ..and similar proportions as in Florida... A great Jewish state just like Israel.
That's great news
Thanks for sharing and thanks for kicking

For both those threads.

The ones that show the proportions of Israeli Jews supporting Hillary and Bernie are the same percentages as their sister Jews in Florida .

And 80% of Jews vote for the Democratic Party.

are right there 53% vs 23%. Why can't you just put what's right there? I see you just want to ignore all republicans AND independents. That's what your problem is. You want ignore everyone who doesn't agree with you - even the MORE THAN majority of Democrats and content yourself with 23% of the 1/3 of Americans that are Democrats. That's sure to help the Palestinians.

this why the US means less and less in the I/P arena

Because once again the numbers prove you're in a teeny minority which is what I tell you all the time and you REFUSE to believe because OMG, how could everyone not sympathize with people who vote in terrorist hamas, how could they not support people who support suicide bombers being children, how could they not support the daily violence? Gee, what a surprise!!! Upset? At that poll? LOL - Me thinks you protest too much while you try and pretend those numbers aren't EXACTLY what I posted.

How could anti-Zionists believe otherwise?

Now there's a piece of crap website if I ever saw one. Considered nothing but a joke by anyone with a brain.

majority of Democrats AND Americans that support Israel. You try and completely discount us every single day.

I don't support them either. Doesn't make my support for Israel waiver for even a second. I don't like everything this country does either. You see, that's the problem with those in the teeny minority that sympathizes with the Palestinians. You ignore the voting for terrorists, the daily violence, the suicide bombings - it appears the majority of Americans aren't willing to turn away from those things.

but it's worrying that 34% oppose a Palestinian state. It doesn't have to be that it means that all of the 34% support the settlements, but those who do are to be found among those 34%.

When it comes to the Israeli and Palestinian governments, I sympathize with neither, but when it comes to the peoples, I sympathize with both. However, I'm strongly opposed to racism, especially when it's sponsored by a democratic state. I was against Apartheid in South Africa, and would've been against the segregation in the American South.

I'm much more anti-racism than I'm pro-Palestinian.

That doesn't come through in your posts at all. The teaching in schools that Jews are monkeys and dogs? What's more racist than that? The continual support in the West Bank and Gaza for violence against Jews? That's racism as I define it. Bibi will eventually be gone - the poison being poured into the minds of children will not.

forum.

Most OPs are about political issues, and as I completely disagree with almost everything the current Israeli government does, my posts are critical of Israel, and I'm automatically in opposition to those who support what Israel's doing. However, I'm not supporting the nasty s**t that the PA and especially Hamas is doing either. There are just no defenders to argue with.

If I posted something that was about Israel, but wasn't part of the I/P conflict, like an article about Israeli food, that post would sink like a stone. I think we're stuck with the adversarial format whether we want it or not.

I'm curious, what's the PA doing that you don't support?

€2 billion just "disappeared" from aid money given to the PA between 2008 and 2012, arbitrary arrests, torture, unfair trials, clampdowns on freedom of expression, discrimination against women (including honor killings) etc. While I believe that the PA is slowly disintegrating, it's possible that restructuring, added funds and most importantly, alleviating the occupation could turn things around and improve things.

Annual Report: Palestine (State of) 2015/2016
Source: Amnesty International

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In the form of resistance, freedom fighting - denying Jews their rights.

Doesn't get anymore racist (Neo-Nazi) than that.

What's to argue?

How can you possibly argue that a neo-Nazi style movement is anti-racist?

Palestinians dio, yet those that support do not support everything Israel does, right ? Seems rather ummm odd to me

who cares?

I don't think so.....

across all parties "support" and "believe" in ridiculous things like "God" and aliens.

Most Americans don't pay any attention to what happens in Israel. They just blindly believe whatever their ideological leaders do. This is true left and right by the way. Most Israelis I know find their American "supporters" just as bafflingly stupid and poorly informed as their detractors.

I don't support BDS. And I do support Israel. I also support a Palestinian state. And I realize that slogans and hardcore positions are the enemy of peace. One can be very critical of Israeli policy while still supporting them and without reducing Israelis to a monolithic viewpoint. And one can be very critical of Palestinian (various factions) political tactics without racist indictments of all Palestinians as bad people.

Anyone who knows actual people involved in the ground finds the public debate in the US on all sides to be a joke.

They favor Israelis over Palestinians by more than 2:1.

54% to 23%.

And that, despite BDS stinking up college campuses with their hate for the last decade.

of the campus nonsense that that age group feels the way it does. When you see people ignoring the violence of the Palestinian "leaders", they shouldn't be surprised that people are horrified at the one sided bullshit the campus know nothings engage in.

But that's a nice bandwagon you've got there.

is now akin to the slavery-supporting version from 160 years ago.

I'm unclear on whether you need to look up "antebellum" or "bandwagon fallacy."

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Explanation: I don't think the poster was saying it is equal to slavery.

I think s/he was saying people who benefit in some way from a system no matter how unjust might not see it clearly.

That's my best guess. I could be wrong. Why don't you try asking the poster for clarification instead of you know alerting on a DISCUSSION(!) board?

Seriously, everyone needs to stop alerting when they just don't like the content.
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I'm so impressed. Not.

Then there's this. "By a slight margin, 44% to 37%, more Americans favor than oppose the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza Strip."

Given the overwhelming support for Israel in the MSM, evangelical and conservative "hosannas" and the amount of cash contributed by American Jews to politicians of all types, it is no wonder that so many Americans "support" Israel.

big thanks tho!

I have a friend from my office attending - I'll get a first hand report.

this disgusting act in the name of "Palestine."

of this truth!

If you look at the group that attends worship services weekly they support Israel by 75%.

The group that never or seldom attends church supports Israel by only 56% (19% lower).

Now both of these groups have access to the same information as it relates to this issue.

Why is there a 19% difference and why do 44% of people who Never/Seldom attend church either support the Palestinians or couldn't care either way?

This is because support for Israel involves taking religious factors into consideration. I'm not critiquing that or making a judgment.

It's just that it's misleading and somewhat disingenuous to have a secular type of debate on this conflict using popularity gauges because of this reality

of more than 2:1. Reagan only needed 3:2 to win 49 states in 1984. Israel would still win 50 states if a POTUS nominee and its party would get 400 House seats plus.

to ask yourself is why support for Israel remains so high even among atheists, the young (more of whom leave religion behind every day), both political parties. Religion has nothing to do with it. You can't really leave religion out of this discussion seeing as both sides claim the Almighty gave them the land.

this one will be like a soccer ball at an AF game; it keeps getting kicked because it's awesome